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[–] flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works 47 points 2 months ago (4 children)

A dump from the article:

When New Jersey passed one of the country’s most restrictive e-bike laws earlier this year, plenty of riders, advocates, and bike shops warned that it would have consequences. Now, just a few weeks after the law officially took effect, those predictions appear to have come true.

Bike shops across the state are reporting declines in e-bike sales ranging from 20% to an astonishing 90%, with many saying customers are simply deciding that owning an e-bike in New Jersey is no longer worth the hassle.

The law, which took effect on July 19, requires every e-bike in the state to be registered, from the slowest Class 1 pedal-assist models all the way through faster Class 3 bikes. Riders under 17 without a driver’s license must pass an MVC licensing test to obtain a special e-bike license, while Class 2 throttle-equipped e-bikes and Class 3 models also require insurance, similar to owning a car.

The result has been widespread confusion. Some customers reportedly believe e-bikes have simply been banned outright. Others tell dealers they’ll just buy online and ignore the requirements. And many are choosing not to buy an e-bike at all.

The impact on local businesses has been severe. One New Jersey dealer said sales plunged 90%, another reported a 63% decline, while others described losing between 20% and 60% of their e-bike business. Several shops have already laid off employees, closed rental operations, downsized, or warned they may not survive through the end of the year.

Perhaps most troubling are the unintended consequences for the very people e-bikes help the most. Dealers who specialize in mobility-focused transportation say disabled customers are returning newly purchased e-bikes or abandoning plans to buy them altogether because they fear they won’t qualify for licensing or insurance requirements. One retailer described customers losing transportation to work or school because of the new rules.

What’s particularly frustrating is that many of these problems were predictable. The law treats a low-speed 15-20 mph (25-32 km/h) throttle-equipped Class 2 e-bike much more like a motorcycle than like a bicycle, despite its similar performance to a standard Class 1 pedal-assist bike. Bike shops and advocacy groups have instead urged lawmakers to exempt low-speed e-bikes under 20 mph (32 km/h) from licensing, registration, and insurance requirements while focusing regulation on higher-speed, higher-powered machines that more closely resemble electric mopeds.

It’s hard to argue with that logic. If the goal was to improve safety, discouraging people from riding bicycles and pushing them back into cars seems like an odd way to do so, especially when cars are the very things supposedly making e-bikes “unsafe”.

[–] thr0w4w4y2@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

yes but a few car industry execs and lobbyists got huge bonuses for their hard work on the new regulations, so there’s that!

[–] ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

Cars arent the thing making E-Bikes unsafe. Rider behavior is the thing making E-Bikes unsafe.

I live in a town in an area that has more bike infrastructure than almost anywhere in the country. You could literally commute 40 miles each way (or more) on trails that hardly cross any roadways at all. I love bikes and think Ebikes are awesome. But when people who choose to use them decide to be idiots they are legitimately dangerous. They deserve to be treated like something different from a normal bike because they literally are.

On the trails, ebike riders in my area are often smoking pedestrians because they ride well over the posted speed limit, pass at full speed, and don’t announce themselves when passing. In one case, a woman was hit by an ebiker who then left her lying there and took off. Ebikes are not regular weight bikes. Getting hit by that rider caused her spinal damage and lasting issues, and she has no way of going after the person because they fled and everything happened on a trail. The county sheriffs wouldnt even investigate because they say the trails are the responsibility of the local transportation authority. Although realistically they would never catch them anyways

On the roads in town, the biggest danger are young kids and tourons that dont understand that if you bike on a street you are required to bike in the same way you would drive a car. They think “im on a bike, so stop signs, right of ways, and speed limits dont apply to me”. This has resulted in many young kids getting borderline killed when they get hit by cars because of things that are their own fault. Numerous times I have had kids (that cant possibly be more than 8-10 years old) blow stop signs and fly out in front of my car at 30mph. The only saving grace is that I was going the actual speed limit of 15, because if I had been going double it, like them, it would have been over with.

I have nothing against Ebikes, but this is the exact type of improper usage that these laws are trying to prevent. Both for the safety of the riders and for everyone else. 8 year olds or anyone else shouldnt be able to ride a class 2 or 3 if they are incapable of understanding road rules and how to not potentially kill someone else or themselves. Honestly class 1 shouldn’t be exempt either because it is not hard to get a class 1 to fly well over its flat ground speed, and on any bike (electric or standard) it generally feels like you are going slower than you actually are.

There is definitely argument to be made about what is the best way to go about it, but the framing of this article that we should just keep everything unregulated as if ebikes are a normal schwin is some major BS

[–] Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago

Agree. I ride my e-bike in the street, stop for red lights, stop at stop sign, signal and use my turn signals. I have almost hit children in the street riding e-bikes and scooters with no helmets because they are running red lights and riding in the wrong lane against oncoming vehicles. I'm not happy at the prospect of my e-bike becoming regulated, but I'm tired of having to dodge cars and them. Those kids piss me off so much that if they got hit or fell I would legit just be tempted continue on my way after calling it in to 911/emergency; do stupid shit, get hit.

I feel like the best way to regulate them is to require a learners permit for driving a car, many states don't allow the permit until age 16. Then at least the rider has passed a written road test and knows the rules and is hopefully more mature that fucking 8 year olds. I don't think bikes should necessarily require insurance. Bikes with speed of 20mph or lower shouldn't require it at least. My bike weights 50lbs top speed 20 mph. If I hit someone I don't think I'm likely to kill them because most of the time I am not running at top speed anyway. It's the 80-100 lb more more bikes going 30 mph that start to get pretty dangerous.

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[–] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Here in QLD, Australia we beat you to this stupidity by a little. We, like Europe (and pretty much everywhere that's not US) has 25kph pedaling requirements. 'The Youf' were getting around on OP unregistered e-motorcycles (by existing laws, with no import protections) so our tough on crime right wing gov decided to step in, instead of, you know, enforcing the existing law and stop importing inappropriate devices.

You now need a license (learners or better), to travel at 12kph on shared paths (most of the bikeways) instead of just slowing down to pass pedestrians like a civilized person. The bike also needs to be European standard (protect the hard to repair incumbents) or face an unspecified certification procedure starting in Feb?.

I'm currently analogue (built a midmount 250W like a decade ago before all this but ditched it because I wasn't getting enough exercise) but looking to make a Bafang or similar so I can actually repair it and ditch a car. The whole shitshow is a mess.

I wasn't expecting to say this, but New Jersey, I feel your pain.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Tbf, 15-20mph on a throttle equipped bicycle is a motorcycle and is not safe for other isers of the sidewalk.

[–] Iconoclast@feddit.uk 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It is a motorcycle or a moped and it is also not safe to be riding at that speed at a sidewalk among pedestrias but what's also true is that anyone can reach those speeds on a traditional bicycle and the outcome of a crash is just as severe.

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago (7 children)

but what's also true is that anyone can reach those speeds on a traditional bicycle and the outcome of a crash is just as severe.

Except reaching those speeds on a traditional bicycle requires significantly more effort, and is really only possible for adults that are somewhat active. I doubt there's any 10yo that can reach 30mph on a traditional bike on flat ground

[–] Iconoclast@feddit.uk 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I doubt there’s any 10yo that can reach 30mph on a traditional bike on flat ground

The comment I replied to said 15 to 20mph. That's a pretty standard cruising speed for a healthy adult.

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[–] Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

Agree 100%. There are times that the road is so unsafe for me I get on the sidewalk, but I usually keep my speed to around 4mph, and if I see a pedestrian I stop and wait for them to pass. 4mph is about how fast a human could run.

[–] MangoPenguin@piefed.social 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Are bicycles normally allowed on sidewalks? I've always lived where they have to ride in bike lanes or on bike paths.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

In most regions, bicycles are not legal on sidewalks.

[–] W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

But guess where people ride them!

(It’s on the sidewalk)

[–] freely1333@reddthat.com 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It really depends. IMO you should ride wherever is safest for everyone. I would say more people use scooters on the sidewalk than bikes. And the 15-20mph is dangerous claims don’t hold up when you can literally go 1mph or walk it if the sidewalks have pedestrians. Going 20mph on a sidewalk with people around is dangerous. Going 20mph on a sidewalk that is empty when the road has shit or no bike lanes is most likely much safer for everyone.

[–] W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So then it should be fine for my Vespa to ride on the sidewalk when no one is around .

[–] freely1333@reddthat.com 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Vespa is about 3-5 times the weight of an e scooter and I assume yours runs in gasoline, so not really a fair comparison but if going under 20mph on the sidewalk is what you consider the safest course of action in a specific circumstance then I’m not sure anybody would fault you for it. Or just get yourself an e-scooter if you use your Vespa for very short trips. The convenience of being able to ride in safer locations where you’re not having to be hyper vigilant of not only your own actions but also those of cars that might very quickly end your life because someone was texting is pretty nice.

I ride a motorcycle too (not even on the sidewalk) and can tell you for a fact that e scooters are night and day safer transportation under normal use cases.

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[–] Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I can't speak for everyone, but there is a spot in my city where I will briefly get up on the sidewalk with my bike, and for me the reason is always the same, the street isn't safe. The downtown where I work has no bike lanes, no shoulder, and people blatantly running red lights, blowing stop signs across 4-6 lanes of traffic while speeding. There is no greater joy than getting doored because the other alternative is swerving further into the road and getting run over at 40+ mph. For those two blocks it's safer for me to slowly push the bike along with my feet until I get to the next block and ride in the street again. Too many cyclists that get on the sidewalks don't show deference to people walking, the same way they wished cars would show some deference to them.

[–] W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago

If you’re on the sidewalk, pushing with your feet because the street isn’t safe, that’s fair.

I see too many bicyclists going full tilt down the sidewalk just because.

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[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

So as usual, a few idiots ruining everything for the rest of us? Combined with knee jerk legislators, i mean.

[–] doleo@lemmy.one 12 points 2 months ago

Funny how those idiots don’t seem to have ruined automobiles.

[–] Photonic@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (8 children)

Well, the same can be said for cars, so let’s not go there.

In countries where e-bikes are widely adopted like The Netherlands, e-bikes are responsible for a significant increase in cycling related injuries and fatalities.

So legislation is definitely needed to protect e-cyclists, regular cyclists and pedestrians.

[–] hneerqe@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

They're just boomers who fall alone and get more severe injuries. The dutch can't even put on a helmet, that's how much they value their head.

If cars have seatbelts, bikes have helmets. It's not complex.

No need to make bikes pay insurance and vehicle tax. Have identification plates to be easily subject to traffic fines... Oh wait...

[–] Photonic@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

So, that’s legislation then.

And it’s not just the people themselves falling but also pedestrians getting hits. Helmets won’t fix that.

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[–] save_the_humans@leminal.space 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Its mostly head injuries. These are between just a rider and the road, and the small number of fatalities were from geriatric riders that should have been in a wheel chair. The solution is to just wear a helmet.. And since its not harming anyone aside from the rider themself, that should be a personal choice. No need to increase the barrier to entry with license, registration, and insurance. Its like people are just trying to find ways to make money off the increase in popularity of e bikes.

[–] Photonic@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Its mostly head injuries.

Not really:

81,000 emergency visits, around 55,000 involved serious injuries, ranging from broken bones and concussions to skull fractures.

14,400 cases of head or brain injuries

fatalities were from geriatric riders that should have been in a wheel chair.

Also a no, a minority was in their 70s or older.

281 cyclist fatalities

118 of those victims were in their seventies or older

And if you need a wheelchair you can’t even physically get on an e-bike.

The solution is to just wear a helmet.

Only for some of the injuries. See above.

its not harming anyone aside from the rider themself, that should be a personal choice.

Most people will not wear a helmet if there is no legislation. We also take plenty of other measures to protect people, like seat belts in cars, banning smoking and drinking below a certain age. Also, society bears the cost. And it’s harming other people in the ER people whose diagnosis and treatment is being delayed because the ED and surgery are working a trauma case. And where do you find it’s only people vs the road? There are also plenty of young people and kids who buy illegal unregistered e-bikes with fat tires that look like a bike, but are more akin to an e-motor.

No need to increase the barrier to entry with license, registration, and insurance.

Then how would you suggest filtering out the

geriatric riders that should have been in a wheel chair.

?

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[–] Ice@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

A bit heavyhanded to need registration even for low-speed (<25kph) pedal assist models. For faster ones however, their driving characteristics are more like mopeds & motorbikes anyway and it makes sense to have such requirements.

[–] Squirrelsdrivemenuts@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The whole problem is how e-bikes are defined. Because 25kph restricted, pedal assist models are the only ones that are e-bicycles in my mind. Anything that can go faster or does not need pedalling is an e-motorbike/moped/scooter and those should be regulated.

[–] Ice@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yep, exactly. Iirc the criteria used where I live are engine wattage (max 250W), top assist speed (25kph) and whether pedaling is required (though no-pedal was allowed up to 20kph).

Anything beyond that becomes classified as a motor vehicle, and the only motor vehicles allowed on bike/ped paths are mopeds with a top speed of 25kph.

[–] jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

20mph pedal assist is pretty nice, but I would change my view if I needed insurance

[–] vathecka@lemmy.radio 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

exactly what I predicted. car lobbies choking out ebikes by covering them in red tape and fees.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 1 points 2 months ago

Well at least the rich people helped each other, that's the most important Portland party. This is America, after all, and without capitalism and graft they might have to get by as millionaires or even merely middle class.

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 11 points 2 months ago

It was intended to cause.harm, that's the point

[–] pfunk1978@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

But yet the same Driver's license applies for a Honda Fit, F-250, and a Porsche.

[–] nullspace@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

I'm sure the motocycle shops are happy. E-bikes have been encroaching on the market since you get a lot of the benefits without having to deal with all the gear and certifications.

[–] W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago
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