Probably they know we’re here and want nothing to do with us.
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We're aliens and others are present as well
The replies to this story are making me lose faith in humanity.
Well the Drake equation is quite speculative but we are gradually filling in blanks. Exoplanets for example. It's just those last few terms that are tricky. If we found evidence of prehistoric life on Mars that might help as well. But the general response that intelligent life is always doomed and we all deserve to die for making occasionally stupid decisions is unhealthy I agree.
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Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly hugely mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space
That and faster than light travel being accidental time travel is my answer. The aliens are here but in our past. They are also wondering which species of dinosaur was broadcasting all that TV.
Bill Bryson? Excellent.
Douglas Adams, but love Bill Bryson too.
There's probably life all over the place like on earth but it's very primitive.
It took 3.5 billion years to get to the point where we evolved enough to be able to ask this question. 3.5 billion years of near misses, mass extinction events, and our star remaining stable enough to not wipe us out. I suspect microbial life is very common, we might even find some in our solar system but sentient life much less so and sentient life existing at the same time that we do is even rarer let alone sentient life creating radio waves over a long enough period to coincide with our very recent attempts to receive it.
Earth has been giving off obvious chemical evidence of life signs for eons. Any Type 1 civilization would have seen it a long time ago and we would stand out like glass on the beach.
Even if they haven't arrived to check it out, which I doubt, they will be watching carefully in various ways.
So: zoo hypothesis seems more likely than anything to me.
Earth has been giving off obvious chemical evidence of life signs for eons.
True, like I said microbial life is likely found all over the galaxy but we've only been transmitting radio waves for a little over a century.
Even if they haven’t arrived to check it out, which I doubt, they will be watching carefully in various ways.
How would they travel, realistically? Also what are these various ways that they will be watching?
It's impossible to be "realistic" about travel, as it is one of the things where we don't know how little we know. We theorize about alcubierre warp fields and wormholes or generation ships or machine intelligences but isn't that like saying you can't canoe to the moon without a better paddle? Do our paleo ancestors have anything to say about ion drives or plutonium energy sources?
I appreciate all the skeptics on space travel, but so many fall down on turning the same skepticism on our own limits to knowledge, and assume we know enough to make conclusive assumptions about something we have never tried.
True, but we still have to try and understand the universe within the scientific framework we've built otherwise we're just indulging in science fiction. We know things like the distances involved, the time it would take to travel those distances even at a high percentage of the speed of light, the amount of energy needed to move a specific mass, and so on.
Maybe there are ways around this for sufficiently advanced beings but maybe there is intelligent life within 100 light years of us that is listening to the first radio broadcasts with no way of getting here.
Yes. My point is that the theoretical approach is
- already sf inspired: cf. warp drives etc.
- applying our limitations as universal is also a sf 'plot twist', as it's highly unlikely that we understand enough to be conclusive
- slow travel is just the 'better canoe paddle' approach... probably near impossible
- relativistic speeds are unlikely effective not so much because of on-board problems but because human society is so volatile, as more than a common sf trope
- and most importantly: separate scientific framework descriptions from dogma, as science is provisional and assumes a better proof is simply waiting for better research; speculation is inspiration and goal-setting
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I like the theory that any life advanced enough to explore the galaxy is watching humanity in disgust and avoiding us like the plague while waiting for our self-induced extinction.
It is not a paradox, we are speed running towards human extinction. Thus providing a very simple reason why intelligent life doesn’t last long and defines a simple great filter.
What we consider intelligent is quite subjective
Under different definitions, "a forest" could be an inteligent individual
We are almost certainly an outlier.
Species who gain intelligence goofily try pushing toward space while letting their home planets environement go. They go nuts on pulling resources from their planet to try and put members of the species on planets that are not at all habitable like their homeplanet or to throw things at the stars when they can't get past the speed of light. All the while their planet becomes less and less habitable and they don't try to just live sustainably as a species on their planet.
I believe for us the answer is a very depressing one, I think organic intelligence almost always is superseded by more durable and effectively unlimited inorganic intelligence. That the intelligence exploring the universe is all machine we are regarded as a dull precursor wet phase to what they hope will emerge and they have no interest in interactions with slime.
Liu Cixin sold me on the Dark Forest theory
Speed of light, expansion of universe. The end.
People who believe in there ever being "contact" do not comprehend the size and nature of the universe.
Rule one, it's expanding, rule 2, faster than light.
We'll never achieve relativistic speed, our physiology doesn't allow "generational ships", a fetuses brain will never develop to intelligence in freefall. Centrifugal force is not gravity.
The belief in alien intelligence is simply going to be an exercise for theocracy and philosophy, never to manifest in our reality.
Maybe as the universe evolves new physics emerge allowing for new technology, the universe was once in fact so hot physics didn't work as we identify with it but contact within humanities existence probably won't happen. Nice to think about though, it's in our nature for community due to our emotional intelligence, sometimes lack thereof providing contrast.
Physical existence is only one aspect of it. Roswell itself was proof that some freaky-ass shit was personally witnessed by no less than 30 people, but we can’t count that because . . Um . . Reasons.
Nuts-and-bolts contact on the WH front lawn isn’t likely. And serious scientific questions are very much tied to physical, nuts-and-bolts answers. That doesn’t mean “no” or “never”.
The alien races travel around the galaxy (anti-spinwise), collecting promising species along the way and helping them evolve into space faring races like themselves. Humanity evolved too fast, or wasn't noticed the last time around, but they'll be here "soon" - within 10 million years.