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I've been thinking about something lately when it comes to anime, and I'm curious if you guys have ever had this happen too.

You know when you're watching an anime and you suddenly figure out the mechanics behind the story?

Not the actual story itself, but the little recipe the writers are using to keep the thing going.

Like you watch enough episodes and suddenly you think:

"Ohhhh... I see what you're doing."

And once I see it, sometimes that's it. The magic is gone. πŸ˜‚

I've had this happen with Re:Zero, Demon Slayer, and Mushoku Tensei. At some point I become so aware of the particular plot device they're using over and over again that I start seeing it coming from a mile away.

And then instead of watching the story, I'm watching the mechanism.

That's the part that kills it for me.

I'm no longer thinking "holy shit, what's going to happen?"

I'm thinking "yeah, okay, here comes the thing they always do."

And once your brain starts doing that, it's really difficult to switch it off again. It's like you've accidentally looked behind the curtain and discovered the little bloke pulling the strings. πŸ˜†

BUT...

And this is where it gets interesting.

Sometimes it actually works.

Higurashi When They Cry is probably the best example I can think of.

That anime is absolutely full of repetition and recurring patterns. You start recognising things. You start noticing that certain situations, characters and events keep coming back around.

And yet somehow... it works.

In fact, in Higurashi the repetition almost becomes part of the appeal. You're sitting there thinking "okay, I've seen this before... but WHY is this happening again?"

So even when you start figuring out the recipe, the recipe itself becomes part of the mystery.

Which I find really interesting because technically I'm still being fed the same kind of thing over and over again. πŸ˜‚

So I started wondering whether this is just something that happens with me, or whether other people get this too.

Have you guys ever watched an anime where you suddenly figured out the repetitive plot device or storytelling formula being used, and from that point onwards you just couldn't enjoy it in quite the same way anymore?

And I'm also really interested in the opposite.

Are there anime where you KNOW exactly what the writers are doing, you know the formula, you can practically predict what's coming... but it still works anyway?

Because I think there's a big difference between repetition and good repetition.

A recipe isn't necessarily bad just because you know the ingredients. Sometimes you just really like the recipe. πŸ˜†

I also wonder if this is more common with the really popular, commercial anime. Especially the long-running stuff. I mean, I get it. If you've got a manga that needs to keep producing chapters and an anime that needs to keep producing episodes, eventually you're going to find a formula that works and you're probably going to keep using the bastard.

But does this happen just as much with more obscure or experimental anime?

Or is this mostly a problem with the big popular stuff?

And I suppose there's also the question of how much repetition we're willing to tolerate. Because obviously pretty much every story has some kind of formula. At some point it's not about whether there IS a formula, but whether you notice the formula more than you notice the story.

Anyway, this isn't meant to be a Higurashi thread, but since I mentioned it...

I'm actually really curious about the new Higurashi season that's been announced. πŸ˜‚

After the last season, they've got a pretty damn high bar to clear. That felt so much like an ending that I'm honestly wondering where the hell they're going to take it next.

But that's a whole other discussion.

I'm more interested in the general question:

What anime made you realise you'd figured out its recipe?

And did that completely kill the anime for you, or did you somehow end up enjoying it because you figured it out?

I'm really curious what you guys think about this one. :)

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[–] CumbrianCucumber@lemmy.world 3 points 18 minutes ago (1 children)

Same!

I remember being a teenager and getting tired of Pokemon's formula, where every episode after a certain point became "new pokemon from the newest games shows up, Team Rocket justify it as rare or special somehow, try to capture it (and Pikachu) and get their arse handed to them, end". That being said, as I get older and Pokemon becomes more of a nostalgic comfort show to me, I can't help but soften on it over the years! It's like the one constant in a world of chaos!

I'm also a big Dragonball fan, and ultimately every saga boils down to "new villain shows up, usually from space, about four or five of the Z fighters have a go at fighting them, they get trounced to build tension, and then Vegeta and Goku give it a go, and eventually Goku wins".

But I really love it! It's a formula that so many shows since have tried to replicate, but they never had the diversity of inspirations and the playful nature of Akira Toriyama to give it the same appeal!

[–] MiRRoRMaN@ani.social 1 points 9 minutes ago

I remember back in the 80s with He-man, he'd always have an afterthought like Jerry Springer, sharing his wisdom with us kids.

[–] muhyb@programming.dev 3 points 1 hour ago

IMO it's actually fine in series, not just anime, in general. There is a formula for each series that work for them. You watch the series if you like the formula.

On the other hand, I hate this for a lot of Hollywood films. A lot of them share the same formula, it's not even fun to watch.

I won't even try to reach One Piece, there is Detective Conan. Every episode is the same for 30 years yet they still make it and people still watch it. Why? Because the formula is good.

[–] Malgas@beehaw.org 6 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

But what does any of this have to do with Mathilda from LΓ©on: The Professional?

(Is the app I'm using showing the wrong image? That's something that's been known to happen occasionally.)

[–] MiRRoRMaN@ani.social 1 points 12 minutes ago

I'm relatively new on the Fediverse, this was a force of habit from image boards who usually force you to post an image with your post. My bad.

Lots of romance anime are high school, beach episode, culture festival, fireworks, class trip, entrance exams. If I'm out of better stuff, I'll put up with it. I was realizing the other day watching one that I thought was more complex simply because different characters had different motivations. It's such a low bar at this point.

Shonen just all are making a different system for power creep to happen. I tend to stay away from them as it's just not interesting. Hunter x Hunter is an example that started off decently but then introduced nen and types of users and just escalates from there. The Bomber guy was just the worst with his convoluted rules during Greed Island arc.

[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 hours ago

When I was watching Jojo's Bizarre Adventure I knew at the beginning of every episode that they were going to get jumped by a new villain of the week, it was going to look like trouble, and then Jo/Bro is going to pull something out of nowhere and beat the ass off the villain. Rinse and repeat next episode.

Somehow, it worked, JJBA is actually one of my favorite animes. It hits the same sort of notes that Dragonball Z does, I think. You know what's going to happen but the excitement of the show is within the way that they pull it off. "Oh, man, the boys are in trouble. Wonder how they're going to get out of this one?"

[–] scytale@piefed.zip 2 points 1 hour ago

OP wrote their post like a recipe website. Explained with an essay and still didn’t write down the recipe at the end. lol

[–] Endmaker@ani.social 14 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

I'm no longer thinking "holy shit, what's going to happen?"

I'm thinking "yeah, okay, here comes the thing they always do."

I have always assumed that this is a universal experience. Once you have consumed enough media, everything just seem so obvious.

So I would tend to prefer a unique premise over a recycled one.

Sometimes it actually works.

My experience is less of a epiphany like your's. In my case, the execution / story-telling of some anime is so awesome that the story being cookie-cutter didn't matter.

That's why my method for finding anime nowadays isn't to seek recommendations, but to go down the list of top-rated anime.

[–] Unboxious@ani.social 3 points 2 hours ago

In my case, the execution / story-telling of some anime is so awesome that the story being cookie-cutter didn’t matter.

This is a point that I think more anime fans could learn from. It's all about the execution. When we like something it's easy to jump to the conclusion, "I enjoy this genre and should thus seek more of it out" when actually we just liked that it had good writing/animation/music/sound design/whatever.

[–] MiRRoRMaN@ani.social 2 points 3 hours ago

Thats good advice, I think i'll start doing that too!

[–] Unboxious@ani.social 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

This can be a problem for me sometimes, especially with Weekly Shounen Jump manga. Even if the mangaka tries to have an original thought their editor will often push them towards doing the standard WSJ thing if their originality doesn't immediately translate into tons of readership. I really loved the first season of Demon Slayer. After a while though it was hard to ignore that every dang fight played out the same way over and over. For this reason I rarely pick up shounen series these days; perhaps originality is lower-priority when the target audience is younger and thus hasn't seen all the stuff it's cribbing on anyways.

Of course, this isn't only a problem with anime, or even with bad writing. I used to read a lot of classic sci-fi 15-20 years ago because that's what I could consistently find in libraries, or in thriftstores for ultra-cheap (think $0.25 per copy). At some point I was about 10-15% into some Isaac Asimov book and realized that I was pretty sure I knew roughly what was going to happen for the entire remainder of the story. TBH I don't even know if I was correct; I lost interest and returned the book to the library without ever having finished it. I don't think this happened because Isaac Asimov was a bad writer, but he wrote a lot of books and I had already read a lot of those books.

As for whether there are stories I can enjoy despite this, certainly there are! Phineas and Ferb is one of my favorite American anime, and it's about as formulaic as it can get. The 100 Girlfriends Who Really, Really, Really, Really, REALLY Love You is also very formulaic, yet it's zaniness rarely fails to amuse me. You and I Are Polar Opposites is pretty straightforward about what it's going to be doing, but it's just the sweetest thing so I enjoy it nonetheless. Heck, most Gundam series follow the same few basic formulae and yet they still are (usually) an enjoyable time. Most of Golden Kamuy is just "let's see what kind of insane dude we meet in Hokkaido today" and I'm absolutely here for it.

[–] jellyfishhunter@lemmy.world 14 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Once you dabble with storytelling, dramaturgy and all tropes, you automatically start to dissect any media you consume, notice the patterns and wonder about it. You'll notice what's meant to be easy to digest, fast to setup and made to please the masses (like classic Shonen). You'll notice when good authors try to make something new or take popular formulas to dissect them as a commentary or underline tropes.

Enjoyment is no science though. There's more to a story than tropes and dramaturgical tools. You may like a certain theme or a system in its world building for example. I personally like well-written and deeply psychological characters with development. Or take one of the many slice of life things, that have nothing much going on, which are something like Zen for your mind. So even if the formula is bland and predictable, there can be other aspects that make one enjoy a story.

Ps: I love Higurashi, too. They established a pattern with deeply dark and psychological arcs, then they broke out of those patterns themselves by undermining their own patterns in ways I couldn't predict. Also they layered their arcs in such a way that you always learn of a new, deeper aspect of the overarching story they were trying to tell.

[–] MiRRoRMaN@ani.social 1 points 3 hours ago

I love slice of life animes, they're probably one of my favorite genres of anime. In example "Was the order a rabbit", nothing going on, yet it still manages to stay fresh somehow.

[–] smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

This is exactly why I've abandoned One Piece. It was readily apparent in the manga, the show is the same.

[–] Dagnet@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Came here to comment this, though I didn't abandon one piece. Every single arc is the exact same formula and every fight is the same too.

Also annoys me that Luffy NEEDS TO BE THE MAIN FIGHTER no matter who he is fighting against, even if there is another character that is much more connected to the evil guy.

Oh, we're losing? Let's fight HARDERER!!!

[–] 474D@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Not anime, but OP would fucking hate House.

[–] plaztek@piefed.ca 5 points 2 hours ago

90% of House episodes

[–] MiRRoRMaN@ani.social 3 points 3 hours ago

haha I've never watched House, but if its like that I imagine so!

Anything with elves and non-elves. "Oh you're gonna do the thing where the elf outlives the non-elf and is sad at the non-elf's mortality." The Lord of the Rings kind of established this with elves like Elrond outliving non-elves by thousands of years. Elrond was there when Sauron forged the rings. He's kind of always been there. He knows Aragorn is just a man who will die in what would be a mere sliver of his own life, but he respects the man. So when his daughter wants to marry Aragorn, and give up her immortality (IIRC other elven media hasn't really done this), it's a huge loss for him, but he gets it.

The loss part is the very plot of Frieren: Beyond Journey's End, and they smack you with it in the first episode. Frieren had a crush on this blue-haired boy, Himmel (German for "heaven", no less), and he just up and died after their adventure, and she never really breaks down in tears, but over the next two seasons, she just begins to mourn this guy. The flood is coming, but it may be centuries away. Peak best girl might start to look 13 or maybe even 14 before she starts to really miss Himmel the Hero.

Then there's Maquia: When the Promised Flower Blooms. You know what's coming at the end. When it does, when she breaks her promise... it still hits like a tonne of bricks.

Oh, and that .hack//SIGN remake... what was it called? Oh yeah, Sword Art Online. Anybody hear of that one? Yeah, figuring out what part of .hack//SIGN they were ripping off was fun. Mostly the first two seasons. And when they paraded out the undefeated duelist, I said "yeah I remember this OVA." Except it wasn't three best friends sharing a character and playing in shifts. It was MUCH worse than that. I joke, I kid, but SAO is actually one of my favourite series. I've read the books as well as watched the anime, and Mother's Rosary (book 7, and the part I'm referring to) is by far my favourite part, but it did come from a .hack//SIGN OVA... though, it's more fair to say both came from MMO tropes. It's like when Deep Impact and Armageddon were both accused of copying each other, until the producers came out and said they both attended a scientific seminar on what would happen if an asteroid threatened to extinguish all life on Earth. (I wonder if Makoto Shinkai attended as well, considering that's what his magnum opus is about.)

But no, it doesn't kill the anime for me if I see what it's doing.

[–] snoons@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 hours ago

Recently stopped watching mushoku because I just wanted to know how in ends, I stopped caring about how they got there. Looked up the endings of the web/light novel and moved on.

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 3 points 3 hours ago

This is how you end up becoming a 'critic', in the sense of "this is someone who is media literate enough to speak more about whether a show has broken new ground creatively, rather than just saying whether they have succeeded in being merely entertaining". A lot of people simply don't care about the creative merits of a production and just want to be entertained, but enough of us are harder to please that good critics with worthwhile observations are always in demand.