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I would really rather that these were actual examples, and not conspiracy theories. We all have our own unsubstantiated ideas about what shadowy no-gooders are doing, but I'd rather hear about things that are actually happening.

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[-] EonNShadow@pawb.social 282 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Anyone that says J6 was a "peaceful protest" that "got out of hand"

We all saw the footage of that day. There were gallows and calls to hang a sitting vice president.

It was an insurrection, fomented and encouraged by Donald Trump's speech and actions leading up to that day. Plain and simple.

The right-wingers who say it wasn't as serious as it was are gaslighting their base.

Edit: Victims of gaslighting in my replies

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[-] davel@lemmy.ml 213 points 10 months ago

A KGB spy and a CIA agent meet up in a bar for a friendly drink.

“I have to admit, I'm always so impressed by Soviet propaganda. You really know how to get people worked up,” the CIA agent says.

“Thank you,” the KGB says. “We do our best but truly, it's nothing compared to American propaganda. Your people believe everything your state media tells them.”

The CIA agent drops his drink in shock and disgust. “Thank you friend, but you must be confused... There's no propaganda in America.”

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[-] pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml 163 points 10 months ago

“Democrats are liberal/progressive”

In reality, they’re pretty conservative.

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 49 points 10 months ago

The Overton Window

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

A concept where political discourse is slowly shifted to one side or another over time. For example conservatism.

Politics are talked about the right who move even further right, the centralists are moved to old right and the leftists are moved to the center .... the old leftists are now seen as extreme and unacceptable while the far right are also unacceptable but gain some ground ... everyone shifts one step to the right and now everything is more conservative.

The right shift is what is happening now ... but it can happen and shift towards the left as well.

[-] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 40 points 10 months ago

They are still liberal though but not progressives. Liberalism isn’t necessarily a left wing ideology.

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[-] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 137 points 10 months ago

“brexit will bring in more trade! brexit will provide 350 million to the NHS!”

[-] taladar@sh.itjust.works 57 points 10 months ago

On a related note the whole notion extremely prevalent in the UK that all they have to do is decide they want to rejoin and it will happen. No matter which side of that a commentator is on, they almost never mention that they need to present something the EU27 actually want and convince them that the UK is not the 'break international agreements' kind of country any more. Overall the British still all seem to think that they are something better than everyone else and others have to do what they want and have no real agency.

[-] Frenchy@aussie.zone 37 points 10 months ago

You could call it a colonial mindset. Wonder where that way have come from.

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[-] dellish@lemmy.world 127 points 10 months ago

Vaccines will give you autism, microchips, actual diseases etc. It's one of the best medical breakthroughs in history and we have idiots ruining it.

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[-] notannpc@lemmy.world 108 points 10 months ago

The concept of trickle down economics. Anyone with a functioning brain can tell you that it would never work. But somehow people as a whole in the US still think giving corporations and rich cunts extra money, and tax breaks somehow lead to the 99% reaping a benefit.

It has never been true because the basic function of capitalism is to get as much money as possible, while spending the least amount of money to do it. There’s no room for passing on the extra profits to your employees, clients, or vendors.

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[-] PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 104 points 10 months ago

Republican talking points. All of them. Pick literally anything they say about guns or economics. Literally anything.

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[-] DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone 104 points 10 months ago

America is the greatest country in the world. Only those who haven't travelled much would believe that.

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[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 97 points 10 months ago

My parents still think the 2020 election was stolen...

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[-] dutchkimble@lemy.lol 95 points 10 months ago

That you catch a cold because you're cold

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[-] tegs_terry@feddit.uk 91 points 10 months ago

Americans with their 'greatest nation on earth' charade.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 35 points 10 months ago

It has a name: American exceptionalism. It's used both by people who know it's a lie and by people who believe it.

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[-] RandomVideos@programming.dev 90 points 10 months ago

Communism=Authoritarianism

I was taught in school the characteristics of authoritarianism and a couple weeks later, when i was being taught about communism, the same characteristics were said

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[-] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 89 points 10 months ago

Israel is defending itself against an antisemitic terrorist group which attacked it for no reason

[-] qevlarr@lemmy.world 83 points 10 months ago

* gestures broadly at US politics *

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[-] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 81 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

"Your socioeconomic status is a measure of work ethic, sacrifice, and ability to make good decisions. Poor people deserve to be poor, and suffer, for making bad decisions."

Birth lottery which includes not just wealth but family connections is the biggest metric. We are way down the list of developed nations in terms of upward mobility. Only the outliers that prove to be of the greatest service to entrenched capital are granted entry. Most Americans, religious or not, have internalized the dogma of the prosperity gospel, itself an absolute parody of the dogma of Christianity it claims to be part of.

Go to any local fast food restaurant at rush hour, hell, go to any produce field at harvest, and tell me how much that studious hard work pays off. conversely, please regail me with tales of how hard it is to be a capital landlord, ~~making investments~~ gambling with insider information with capital gained from previous exploitations, and then merely expecting an endless steam of capital for NO labor into what generated it. It's like we were conquered by the traveling snake oil salesmen of old.

It's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.

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[-] abuttandahalf@lemmy.ml 81 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

That Israel is not a colonial state. All it's founders defined it as a European colonial project. It was and is allied with all the colonial powers and projects like Britain, the US, apartheid south Africa, and Rhodesia. Its funding association was called the Palestine Jewish colonization association. It's bank was called the Jewish colonial trust. The Jewish national fund and the Zionist project at large was from the beginning concerned with building segregated colonies.

First, lands were bought with foreign funding from feudal land lords, and their inhabitants were entirely dispossessed, kicked out. Then when awareness of the ultimate goals of the Zionist project crystalized and resistance against Palestinian dispossession mounted, the lands were ethnically cleansed by force and the people massacred. 700 to 800 thousand Palestinians were ethnically cleansed in one continuous military operation that spanned two years from 1947 to 1948.

Zionist leaders fully acknowledged that Palestinian demographics were a core issue to the Zionist project, that the Palestinian population had to be removed at any cost, which is exactly what Israel did. What lead to the Palestinians being defenseless in this situation? Colonial Britain abetted the formation of heavily armed Zionist militias with soldiers numbering in the tens of thousands. The arms of Britain's colonial military presence were inherited by the Zionist forces that it supported. All this while Britain summarily excecuted any Palestinian found in possession of a firearm.

This is not to mention the enthusiastic support of european antisemites for the Zionist project, or its strict early opposition by antifascist jews.

The idea that Israel has any right to exist on Palestinian land is a lie that has been so heavily proliferated, it has to be debunked when it should be paid no consideration at all.

[-] lhx@lemmy.world 66 points 10 months ago

If you cut taxes on the rich it will benefit everyone.

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[-] AernaLingus@hexbear.net 60 points 10 months ago

"Owning a car = freedom"

"You need a big truck/SUV to haul things" (it's just a coincidence that people drove much smaller cars before a multibillion dollar deluge of advertising)

"It's consumers' responsibility to reduce plastic pollution by recycling, and recycling is effective" (whoever came up with this one belongs in the PR scumfuck hall of fame)

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[-] calypsopub@lemmy.world 59 points 10 months ago

Rising early and going to bed early is more virtuous than rising late and going to bed late.

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[-] MTK@lemmy.world 52 points 10 months ago

Too many famous people are hailed as something they are not, and everyone believes it. For example Elon Musk is hailed as a genius when he seems to be showing lately that he is the dumbest person alive.

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[-] thirstyhyena@lemmy.world 50 points 10 months ago

Jesus birthday is 25 December

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[-] Gorillatactics@hexbear.net 40 points 10 months ago

People believe insane shit about North Korea because they heard other insane shit about North Korea.

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[-] taladar@sh.itjust.works 40 points 10 months ago

"Owning a car gives you freedom" is a big one considering how expensive they are and that most people just use them to sit in traffic jams on their commute 90%+ of the time they are using them.

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[-] kylie_kraft@lemmy.world 40 points 10 months ago

Donald Trump claiming executive privilege for his various crimes. It seemed like everyone was laughing about it even a couple months ago, like how can it be executive privilege when this is about things he was doing before and after his presidency? Then there was a narrative shift and now the media is back to hand-wringing over whether or not you can prosecute a former president. I don't think anyone is expecting any of it to stick anymore.

[-] booty@hexbear.net 39 points 10 months ago

communism means no freedom / no food / whatever. anti-communist propaganda was a massive and very successful effort in the west

[-] DandomRude@lemmy.world 39 points 10 months ago

"Trickle down economics lead to more wealth for all."

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[-] moon@lemmy.cafe 38 points 10 months ago

The entire conservative party

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[-] ArtieShaw@kbin.social 38 points 10 months ago

Off the top of my head:

-Anything involving babies and incubators is immediately suspect. (Or babies and bayonets, for that matter).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

-And this one is pure conspiracy, and I know it's not what you asked for... but it's ridiculous and 'tis the season. My mother in law is convinced that the lyrics to "Oh Christmas Tree" (O Tannenbaum) were changed by people who wanted to erase the true and original lyrics. By who? Big Tree financiers? Communists who are stealing Christmas and replacing it with trees?

Anyway...

The original lyrics, according to this conspiracy, praise God and never mention trees at all. It's completely ridiculous and always ends with the whole family singing along with the "true lyrics" from a badly photocopied paper that she hands out. I hope this doesn't come up again this year because it really makes me want to fight. Which would make me the bad person, because who initiates fights on Christmas? The next couple of days are going to be tough.

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[-] rwhitisissle@lemmy.ml 35 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

"Once all the boomers are dead everything will be better!" Yeah, corporations will still rule your life, inflation will still outstrip income, you won't be able to afford a house, and your politicians will represent whichever special interest pays them the most. Also you won't ever be able to vote in progressive candidates because every year there's going to be some vile ghoul like Donald Trump, but somehow worse, and the Democrats just need you to close ranks and vote in whatever corporate liberal whose turn it is to sit in the Big House this time so a literal fascist doesn't get his finger on the button and attempts to dismantle what little democracy our republic has over night.

Grandma and grandpa being six feet under doesn't change these things. And, guess what...you probably won't change them either because you're too lazy and apathetic to do anything other than shitpost on the internet about how badly your life sucks.

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[-] Barabas@hexbear.net 34 points 10 months ago

Colonialism was a civilising mission.

Neoliberalism has also broken people’s brains to believe that nothing better is possible and anyone promising something other than managed decline or being vindictive against an outgroup is a charlatan.

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[-] piyuv@lemmy.world 33 points 10 months ago

Free market is the most effective way of allocating resources

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[-] Trigemeny@lemmy.world 33 points 10 months ago

That a guy has to spend three months salary on a diamond wedding ring. It was a very good marketing campaign from a jewlery company.

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[-] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 32 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

"You're too much into politics"

Said by people who are unwilling to admit they're on the wrong side. Or in a more extreme setting (like say, South Africa during apartheid), they'd most likely report you to authorities or outright even kill you.

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[-] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 31 points 10 months ago

communism has killed 100 million people

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