Conversely, upping my protein intake at the suggestion of my doctor has led to me being significantly healthier in my late 40s than I was in my 30s
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Because you need some protein. So getting the appropriate amount is necessary for health. But the excessive consumption which is recently trending in the US and the rest of the West is not good for anybody but the ocmpanies producing that shit.
I think we need better education on what an appropriate amount is - I live in a fairly hippy world, lots of veggie peeps, and it’s noticeable that you can be eating super-healthily without getting enough protein to keep muscle on as you age, so especially the girls have found that upping their protein intake (consciously and within a decent diet) has made a fair bit of difference. Man cannot live on salad alone, as the prophet said.
I don't live on salad alone, I have a roommate.
Likely because you had too many carbs in your diet.
North Americans simply eat too much.
I’m in the uk, and was mainly veggie.
It's not hard to consume high carb veggie diet.
I am not a mouse, insect, ... You cannot generalize diet from cross studies like this. Different species have different abilities to process things
Studies in mine lead to studies in humans, and the process saves time and is safer and is generally somewhat applicable. Does it always work out? No. The problem is media reporting studies in mice as canonical truth for humans when studies need to happen in humans - but studies in mice are valuable and directly lead to improvements in human health.
I didn't say mice studies were not valuable I said they can generalize to humans. You cannot get better data by mixing mice studies with human. Particularly with diet where we have evolved to eat different diets.
So why do you think they do those studies? Is it just to sit around and jack off? Are they just that stupid that they waste time that has no benefit? Why do you think they spend the time doing it?
There sure has been a lot of protein fear-mongering lately. No, you're not eating too much protein. No, you're not getting lead poisoning from protein powder. No, it's not damaging your kidneys or whatever this week's claim is.
Updating the recommended daily intake of protein to 0.8-1g/kg was the only thing RFK was almost correct about. Though that amount also comes with the recommendation of including resistance training in your exercise routine, which is far more important for aging than just protein alone. Conveniently the new dietary guidelines failed to mention that part.
This part in particular:
Lamming reviewed the effect of reducing protein in many body processes. One of the processes involves a hormone called FGF21.
"There's an increase in a hormone called FGF21 that promotes energy expenditure [when protein intake is reduced]," Lamming said. "It essentially increases thermogenesis in your adipose tissue, so you don't just store fat, but actually burn it as fuel."
stinks of someone wanting to get in on a peptide or hormone treatment.
Exercise. Eat protein. Try to get most of it from whole plant sources.
I mean yes, but let's be honest. Most Americans are eating a lot of protein in the form of meat and dairy. So if you take a typical American diet and remove protein I'm not surprised it's healthier.
If you have kidney problems you should probably not be on a high protein diet... By all means, go ask a doctor.
That's true, but different from protein causing the kidney problems.
Antipeptide is so odd to me, yall just hate it because the lookmaxer crowd coopted it, they are good overall
Oh great, first salad and now meat.
Man cannot live on bread alone.
I have some bad news for you about bread...
Bread makes you fat?!
Yeah, bread is carbohydrates and your body turns all carbohydrates into glucose in your blood, however high blood sugar isn't great so the body releases insulin to get blood sugar back to normal.. the insulin forces your fat cells to take in all this new glucose (that's how it lowers your blood sugar)...
Therefore - bread makes you fat.
my rye bread and baguettes with lots of fillings disagree with your claim of spiking blood sugar :D
Hot tip: don't eat a loaf for breakfast.
Humans lived thousands of years on bread and fish without obesity.
No, just no. You can't take bread from me, it's all i have left.
David Mitchell has your back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5bKN6xP8Kk&t=26s
I actually watch that show. It's one of my favorites.
It's quite interesting :)
The study points to increased fat-burning activity in lower-protein diets, and from there connects those diets to lower body fat and better aging.
This isn't a new result.. carrying excess bodyfat is bad, we've known this conclusively for decades.
The increased use of bodyfat for energy is also expected (if you aren't overeating). Your body has 2 fuels cells can use, glucose and ketones. Glucose is easy, and this is the primary pathway. If you eat carbs, your body converts them to glucose and feeds that to your brain, muscles, etc.
If you aren't eating enough, your body breaks down stored glycogen in your muscles to get glucose. Once those reserves are gone, your body will switch to converting fat stores into ketones. This can be a rather unpleasant switch for a few days until you adjust.
However, there is another pathway. If you are eating significant amounts of protein, the amino acids will be used for gluconeogenesis (literally: "new glucose creation") by your liver - turning the excess protein in your diet into glucose for your cells to use for energy.
So, if you are eating a lot of protein and otherwise not overeating calories and carbs, your body will turn that protein into glucose rather than scavenging bodyfat into ketones. Eating less protein (and more fats) would promote the fat-burning pathway and lower bodyfat overall.
The study is solid, confirms the general consensus understanding of metabolism. The reporting is trash. Don't avoid protein. But also don't assume 10 g/lb is doing anything to help you build muscle or lose weight - after a certain point, it's just energy.
Well, alright, this is not as annoying as I thought it was going to be. Why? Because I'm on dialysis, and people on dialysis have to eat more protein. I struggle to meet my goals. In fact, I do not meet my goals. Which is irritating.
But I'm also trying to lose weight so I can be considered for a transplant, trying to stay within the limited liquid restrictions, trying to eat enough protein but limit potassium which more protein triggers, limit phosphorous.... there's...... several other things. It's very annoying, especially when I need to cook everything I eat from scratch but sheer fatigue means I'm unable to do so.
Bleh.
So I just needed to vent about that in relation to this study. heh
What about meal shakes like Huel? I wouldn't recommend a Huel only diet but each serving is 33% of a ton of minerals and vitamins. It might have too much protein in relation to this new information.
Most protein drinks (and I assume meal shakes, but I will look into those now) have lots of potassium. They do make dialysis-friendly protein drinks, although the ones I can find have 10g protein which is not nothing, but considering they take up ¼-⅓ of my daily liquid intake, I don't like them for that reason. heh.
But an otherwise excellent thought <3
this makes sense. I have not been on, because its a pita, cron but have followed the studies. A study showed just restricting methionine in mice without the calorie restriction showed the effect and a further study showed glycine supplementation (glycine helps the body get rid of excess methionine) also did. Now vegans would be something like the methionine elimination group because its high in muscle meat and bone broth bros would be like the glycine supplementation as there is a lot of that in broth.
I doubt protein is the problem. It's almost always animal protein that's the problem
Beans and nuts and seitan are all super healthy
The next time you're at a restaurant and they ask what protein you want, tell them beans.