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[–] neatchee@piefed.social 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

This has big "don't use a standard deadbolt on your front door; it's not as strong as reinforced titanium doors with time-release locks" energy

Like, not technically wrong, but does not fit the standard risk profile, it's overkill for most situations.

Also to everyone talking about US law enforcement, this is just so easy to protect from, not worth ditching biometrics: if you see cops approaching and are worried about a device being unlocked, just reboot it. If you need to do it surreptitiously, just hold the power button to force shut it off after ~10s. This will always require a password to unlock after

[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

In this analogy, it would be more like a PSA to not use the deadbolt, and to make it more convenient to get in and out, just leave your backdoor unlocked. Then if you see someone walking up, you can simply lock your backdoor.

A password is a standard feature on phones, nothing to install. Avoiding biometrics is simply avoiding a bad practice.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 3 points 21 hours ago

People used to use a PIN to get into their phones. Those are obnxiously easy to shoulder surf. A fingerprint is much better in any situation where you can't be compelled to give it.

[–] neatchee@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

You've misunderstood my analogy.

Most people don't need the strongest form of protection. It's about risk profile.

Also biometrics don't replace passwords. They supplement them. They allow certain features to be accessible with reduced security, if that fits your risk profile, while maintaining the high security of passwords for specific functionality.

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[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Okay and if you don't see the cops approaching? Because they use undercover cars, dress in plain clothes, and won't identify to anyone on demand? Yes even federal agents?

[–] neatchee@piefed.social 4 points 1 day ago

Again it's about risk profile. if you believe there is a chance that will happen to you, then go ahead.

Personally I just turn my personal phone off when approaching a border or attending a rally and that covers me. I'm not really worried about getting mugged from behind by a federal agent.

[–] DudleyMason@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

And typing in a password every time is the opposite of usability..

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 51 points 2 days ago (2 children)

As soon as the word "convenient" is used, you know it will affect security.

[–] hades@feddit.uk 25 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yep, they technically didn’t claim it was to make it more secure.

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[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 10 points 2 days ago (3 children)

This is always the tradeoff. Security must always impose a cost.

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[–] nixukty@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Do you really not use your phones fingerprint reader and type in your passcode every time?

I get that you can be compelled by law enforcement to give up your biometrics, but if you're gonna end up in that sort of situation it's 2 buttons and a tap to temporarily disable biometrics.

[–] LordCrom@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago

Yes, I type in a password each time.

[–] cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Do you really not use your phones fingerprint reader and type in your passcode every time?

Yes, yes I do. I like having friction between me and my addictive distraction rectangle.

[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes, strong password and no biometrics is basic security practice.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

The grid pattern is way better than any password in terms of reasonable password lengths

[–] It_is_gaslighting@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And then there is that one nerd taking every print of every employee doing thumb 3D prints or cashing out on it using the 'other' web. Oh way, are we still in 2026, too soon, sorry for the spoiler. /jk

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[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Why?

It's not like they're literally using your face or fingerprint as a password. They're not even storing them, just a hash tied to an hsm key.

[–] twjolson@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (20 children)

I can't speak for OP, but in the US, you can be compelled to unlock a phone via fingerprint or face ID. You can't be compelled to give over your PIN. That violates the right against self incriminating.

[–] picnic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

I travel a few times a month to US, China, Hong Kong etc.

I shut down my grapheneos phone on the border. Graphene also allows you to set auto reboot to phone if unlocked from 10mins to like 72 hours.

I do use biometrics on my device. I think its a tradeoff I'm willing to make.

[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 0 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I love this "in the US" thing. Like we're the only country where that's true and there aren't whole European countries doing the exact same thing.

While I admit nothing exists in a vacuum and there's a lot of push toward a police state in the US, we also aren't the only country doing that, by far. We're just more open about it since Cheeto in Chief took office again.

[–] twjolson@lemmy.world 0 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Or maybe I don't have knowledge and experience in EU law and didn't want to pretend I do.

[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 0 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

It's not just you. There's quite a few people who keep saying this. You'll note that they don't chime in to mention that Norway or Germany.

It's dystopian as fuck that this is where we're at, but I don't think it's a good idea to pretend this is strictly a US thing.

[–] twjolson@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Nobody did. You're arguing against a point nobody made.

[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Not the time or the crayons.

[–] twjolson@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Yea, ok bud. Go argue the obvious with someone else.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Totally true. That's not the common threat most people need to guard against however. Additionally, at least on Android, the device is relatively eager to force pin usage if the stars don't align for biometrics

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[–] JRaccoon@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 day ago (9 children)

I think it depends. Some people might be inclined to use too short or simple password because they don't wanna constantly be typing a long password. It's much better to have a strong password and fingerprint/face rec for convince than just a insecure password.

[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 15 points 1 day ago (28 children)

In the USA, they can legally force you to unlock a device using biometrics.

Also, biometrics can be fooled in other ways.

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[–] unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth 10 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Hot take: biometrics are often criticized for being less secure, but that ignores the deficiencies of passwords. Especially on phones, it's very doable to look over someone's shoulder while they're unlocking their phone or do the same with a camera. You can't do that with a fingerprint, at least not nearly as easily.

And yes, I understand that in the US (amongst others?) the legal situations with passwords and biometrics are different, but IMO that's more of a legal question, and not everyone lives in the US.

Android also has an "emergency lockdown" option, which disables biometrics for unlocking your phone - or you can shut it down (worst case scenario force shut down with a long hold on the power button) to get it into a BFU state, which is much harder to crack.

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