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[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I came in to this one expecting to hate on it a little bit, but it's not really bad - it's just doing too much.

This two-parter is basically all table-setting for the finale, and this one in particular is stuck (re-)introducing the Cybermen and establishing this parallel universe, which could (or should) each be a separate story on their own. It's a lot of heavy lifting, all in service of an episode we won't see for another month.

But there's a lot to like! The Doctor's dismissiveness toward Mickey is awful, but I find it funny every single time. The aspects of the story that are a pseudo-sequel to "Father's Day" work very well - it's always fun to see Pete again, and this version of him really does seem the-same-but-different - ditto for Jackie. Noel Clarke - scandal noted - also does a good job when it comes to Mickey's sudden backstory.

That said, Clarke is really not good as Ricky - I don't know if he was directed to play the character the way that he did, but it was a bad choice. And John Lumic is a bland and forgettable villain. Since the Cybermen are rather bland by their nature, you'd hope that their creator would have personality and charisma to spare, but it's just not the case here.

I'm not a big fan of Cybermen stories in general - a bunch of emotionless killing machines aren't the most compelling, though from what I can remember, the next episode wrings some good drama out of the body horror of it all. Like the Borg, I find them to be a bit of a dead end, made interesting only by what's going on around them. In this case, the themes of the people of Pete's World giving themselves over to an omnipresent app and wearable technology is better now than it was 20 years ago.

[–] SpaceScotsman@startrek.website 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I enjoyed the interactions Rose had with her not-parents. The rejection she got from Jackie gives a payoff to the Doctor's insistence that they not involve themselves.

I do think that Rickey and the whole underworld rebel gang needed a bit more space to really feel meaningful. Maybe with some different story opportunities Ricky's character could have been more fleshed out. Also, I've just realised, this is the second time now we've had a fake mickey, after the plastic one in S01E01.

I disagree about Lumic and cybermen - these ones in particular. I find the bland horror around the cybermen and Lumics motivation adds to how scary they are. Given what we know about these cybermen specifically, I think they needed someone psychopathic and narrow-focused to make them happen.

Yeah, I guess my issue with Lumic is that I feel like he should either be more charismatic, or far less - a real Zuckerberg type. As it is, he strikes me as something in between.

[–] SpaceScotsman@startrek.website 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Rose is a dinner lady again for the 2nd time this series. :)

I like a good steampunk airship alternate reality. I quite like a lot of what's hinted at in this alt universe, though it doesn't all come together perfectly. I enjoyed the UK having a president, one that is no-nonsense and willing to stand for what is right, Don Warrington did a good job. We get basically no explanation for how we ended up in the alternate universe, but I can let that slide.

I was aware of cybermen as a general villain prior to watching this, but this reboot showing them having an origin in a billionaire's immortality fantasy is pretty horrifying, and sets them up as a more horrifying monster than I remember from the original series. I enjoyed Roger Lloyd Pack as Lumic. As villains go he is kind of pedestrian evil, but I think that works for this story. He has no moral compass or drive beyond saving himself, and thinks he knows what is best for everyone else. As the Doctor mentions, this universe is very close in many respects to our current reality. I'd argue 20 years later things are even worse. We don't get a daily download, many of us are permanently doomscrolling, and we have far too many tech billionaires being sycophantic about machine intelligence and human connected systems. I could easily see engineers working 24/7 at the office putting on pop music to mask out the horrible stuff they have to do.

As much as I'm not a huge body horror fan, I like that this episode (and the following, as I recall) pulls no punches about how awful everything is. As a kid watching this it was pretty scary, and it set a tone for how I'd think about technology the rest of my life. At the end of the episode we get an pretty good cliffhanger ending.

Praise aside, there's a lot of stuff in this plot that doesn't really go anywhere - A throwaway mention of a curfew, class-divided militarized slums, but also there's people even lower down who're actually being taken away, Jealous rose is back going at a nobody background character, cybus seems to own and control everything but also needs to get government approval.

  • The big attention grabbing line during the cold open "Set sail for great Britain" is nationalistic and pandering and doesn't make any sense in the context.
  • Rose smirking at the doctor when she realises he's hooked on a mystery is cute and delightful, but it completely undermines the whole overprotective "thou shalt not interfere" he was going on about for the first half of the episode.
  • Mickey going off on his own to find his gran is nice, but he had so little time with her it doesn't feel like it really added anything beyond the Rickey setup.
  • The earpod hack could be more subtle. Sure, let's make a giant antenna pop out of it, never mind who might be nearby to see it happen. It doesn't work as a foreshadowing device because we already know this is a cyberman story.
  • Production-wise You can see "Cybus Welcome.jpg" scrolling on roses phone, I'm guessing it was just a fully green jpeg they uploaded onto it, then edited in everything afterwards.
  • Also during the download scene the frozen crowd has far too few people, after a crowd of about 15 folk the rest of the street is empty behind them.
  • Torchwood is repeatedly mentioned in this episode, which doesn't make sense. Torchwood only came about because the doctor existed in the main universe.
  • One of the rebels says "Protocol Search" - why, just call it a search, it's fine. Not everything needs to be jazzed up with technobabble.
  • In that same scene "Your father had a bike" - I'm trying to figure out what that phrase means but I have no idea.

Finally, I hate the "delete" catchphrase. The cybermen could have just killed the guests. As maniacal as Lumic is, the one thing he isn't is funny, so there's no reason to program the cybermen to use a catchphrase, as I could imagine a Musk or Altman type villain doing.

Those are all very valid points. These rewatch posts really remind me how all of the criticisms against the latest couple of seasons... were always there in Davies' writing. You sort of have to shrug and roll with it, or you miss the good parts.

Your father had a bike

That's such a strange offhand remark. It seems to imply that Ricky's dad had a (weirdly identical) child with another woman. But what that has to do with bicycles I dunno.

If it's suspicious to ride a bike I guess people who drive cars must have extra families all over the place, given the extra ground they can cover? 🤔 Or it's some kind of inscrutable British idiom. Probably the latter.

Don Warrington did a good job

For sure - he made the most of that role.

The earpod hack could be more subtle.

But you've gotta have the handles!

Torchwood is repeatedly mentioned in this episode, which doesn’t make sense. Torchwood only came about because the doctor existed in the main universe.

That's...a very interesting point that I hadn't considered.