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Rose is a dinner lady again for the 2nd time this series. :)
I like a good steampunk airship alternate reality. I quite like a lot of what's hinted at in this alt universe, though it doesn't all come together perfectly. I enjoyed the UK having a president, one that is no-nonsense and willing to stand for what is right, Don Warrington did a good job. We get basically no explanation for how we ended up in the alternate universe, but I can let that slide.
I was aware of cybermen as a general villain prior to watching this, but this reboot showing them having an origin in a billionaire's immortality fantasy is pretty horrifying, and sets them up as a more horrifying monster than I remember from the original series. I enjoyed Roger Lloyd Pack as Lumic. As villains go he is kind of pedestrian evil, but I think that works for this story. He has no moral compass or drive beyond saving himself, and thinks he knows what is best for everyone else. As the Doctor mentions, this universe is very close in many respects to our current reality. I'd argue 20 years later things are even worse. We don't get a daily download, many of us are permanently doomscrolling, and we have far too many tech billionaires being sycophantic about machine intelligence and human connected systems. I could easily see engineers working 24/7 at the office putting on pop music to mask out the horrible stuff they have to do.
As much as I'm not a huge body horror fan, I like that this episode (and the following, as I recall) pulls no punches about how awful everything is. As a kid watching this it was pretty scary, and it set a tone for how I'd think about technology the rest of my life. At the end of the episode we get an pretty good cliffhanger ending.
Praise aside, there's a lot of stuff in this plot that doesn't really go anywhere - A throwaway mention of a curfew, class-divided militarized slums, but also there's people even lower down who're actually being taken away, Jealous rose is back going at a nobody background character, cybus seems to own and control everything but also needs to get government approval.
Finally, I hate the "delete" catchphrase. The cybermen could have just killed the guests. As maniacal as Lumic is, the one thing he isn't is funny, so there's no reason to program the cybermen to use a catchphrase, as I could imagine a Musk or Altman type villain doing.
Those are all very valid points. These rewatch posts really remind me how all of the criticisms against the latest couple of seasons... were always there in Davies' writing. You sort of have to shrug and roll with it, or you miss the good parts.
That's such a strange offhand remark. It seems to imply that Ricky's dad had a (weirdly identical) child with another woman. But what that has to do with bicycles I dunno.
If it's suspicious to ride a bike I guess people who drive cars must have extra families all over the place, given the extra ground they can cover? 🤔 Or it's some kind of inscrutable British idiom. Probably the latter.
For sure - he made the most of that role.
But you've gotta have the handles!
That's...a very interesting point that I hadn't considered.