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[–] shweddy@lemmy.world 94 points 3 weeks ago

You buy a new one so the c level can buy another yacht

[–] ian@feddit.uk 51 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

My car is so old it makes its own cloud!

[–] inari@piefed.zip 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] ian@feddit.uk 24 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

True. But actually I don't have a car. My last car decades ago, had a cassette player. But that had Auto Reverse. When it reached the end of the tape it would play the other side without you having to eject the tape and turn it over!

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[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 48 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (13 children)

I'll never buy a vehicle that requires cloud connectivity for anything. Not a problem!

[–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 28 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Well, most cars don't REQUIRE it, but most cars lose features if it doesn't have network connectivity.

Good luck finding a car made after 2020 that doesn't have at least one or two features that require the Internet to function.

[–] Zarobi@aussie.zone 7 points 3 weeks ago (39 children)

I've never seen a car like this. Mine was made in 2021 though so I must have caught the last ~~ship~~ car out lol. What kind of things do cars even use the internet for? I'm struggling to imagine it

[–] sorghum@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

Remote start, lock/unlock doors, HVAC, windows, and alarm for basics.

[–] khepri@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (14 children)

All things that have worked just fine on cars for like at least a decade before the internet was ever invented. You are describing the exact functions of a key fob. They can even open the truck without the Internet!

[–] sorghum@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I've never seen a fob be able to set climate controls. Either way, I'd rather control my own cloud for the car through home assistant

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[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 47 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

In a sane world, there would be a law that forces certain types of features to always work.

Cloud connectivity can have benefits but honestly, 95+% of a car’s feature does not need the internet

[–] EliteCloneMike@lemmy.zip 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Most cars throughout history have had zero need for the internet. I just hope it does not end up like video games, where they can sell an unfinished product and patch it later. Though there are benefits to that model, but recalls exist for a reason.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I just hope it does not end up like video games, where they can sell an unfinished product and patch it later

Tesla has been selling a "full self driving" subscription for years.

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[–] Denixen@feddit.nu 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I just hope it does not end up like video games, where they can sell an unfinished product and patch it later.

Too late. This is already the case, I don't know of a single EV that wasn't buggy on release and still buggy a year or two afterwards as the manufacturer hunts bugs in a leisurely pace. It already is like in the gaming industry. Don't buy an EV that isn't at least one year old on the market or you will become their free of charge beta tester...

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[–] shroomato@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

We need a Stop Killing Cars movement

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 14 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

A lot of people don't realise SKG is a foothold in exactly that fight. If you establish precedent on something as "frivolous" as video games you can use it on much higher value thing too.

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[–] thallamabond@lemmy.world 42 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

In response to some customer concerns of a dead battery resulting from the DCM continually trying to access the 3G cellular network, which is no longer available

https://www.theautopian.com/why-subaru-batteries-are-dying-all-across-the-country/

[–] Bryan065@kbin.earth 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

WOW... we were trying to hunt down why my buddy's forestor's battery kept dying....

We even disconnected the wire that tells the alternator to stop charging the battery...

[–] thallamabond@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Affected Forester

2016-2018 Forester 2.5i Premium 2016-2018 Forester 2.5i Limited 2016-2018 Forester 2.5i Touring 2016-2018 Forester 2.0XT Premium 2016-2018 Forester 2.0XT Touring

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[–] kungen@feddit.nu 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So you'd also get screwed if you routinely are parked somewhere without any cellular access? Nice design.

[–] BigPotato@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

Just picture it - You drive your Subaru, the off-road adventure car company, to a camp site in a remote area. You wake up after a few days of hiking and camping to return to your car.

The battery is dead. If you camp too close to the car, the key fob being close to the car will leave it in a "standby" mode which drains the battery on top of the car pinging the server for updates.

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 11 points 3 weeks ago

Yup, lost a battery to that (2019 Impreza). Pulled the fuse for the modem, and it's been fine ever since. I never used (or wanted) any of those features anyway.

[–] 7U5K3N@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 weeks ago

Yep. My toddler hit the starlink button recently. Absolutely killed my outback.

Crazy the bull shit I had to do to start it again.

[–] zerofk@lemmy.zip 33 points 3 weeks ago

vehicle … cloud

Flying cars sure turned out differently than we imagined in sci-fi.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 29 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

This is what the GPL was meant to fight against. Having boxes running software that is still under the control of the manufacturer.

Instead people complained that it was hard to use the code at work. YES. THAT'S THE POINT.

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[–] kn0wmad1c@programming.dev 25 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Is this article presuming that this isn't part of the plan? Auto manufacturers think our brains work like "oh no, my connected service was end-of-lifed. Guess I gotta buy a new car."

[–] DanceMomsSavedMe@lemmy.zip 17 points 3 weeks ago

With OTA updates eventually they could FORCE you into buying a new one.

I hate the privacy nightmare cars are turning into.

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[–] Mio@feddit.nu 19 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

In my opinion it should be illegal to shutdown as long as they have cars. I would not buy any device that requires internet access to work with basic functionality.

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[–] shininghero@pawb.social 17 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

Slate Auto: "Cloud? Oh, you mean that completely optional telematics thingy that's intended more for business fleets! Yeah, that's excluded by default on our vehicle."

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[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

It's crazy that "local first" has to apply to cars now.

[–] innermachine@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

The cloud? I've owned many a vehicle who's company doesn't exist anymore XD No car should be tied to any cloud or connectivity crap for use

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I have yet to own a vehicle made in the 21st century.

I'm terrified of having to get a vehicle that requires software updates that eventually will stop receiving support. I'm also terrified of getting a vehicle with just generally shitty software. My gf's car has awful software and there's nothing she can do about it.

Just give me 90s era cars again. They last forever and they're easy to repair on your own.

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There's lot to be said for physical safety features like side and curtain airbags, or better crumple zones that don't crush your feet, but those were pretty much standard by 2012 so you can have those without all the computer nightmares.

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[–] ransomwarelettuce@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

We must create some legalisation on this else a buch of smart cars are going to turn into dumb bricks.

In contrary to what many are saying I don't think going back to plain cars is the solution. I think an open standard would be the solution here to provide an option to self-host or connect to provider.

[–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Doesn't even need a technical solution. Could just be some law that in order to sell a vehicle:

  • A company has to maintain any cloud support for at least 20 years.

  • They have to put up a bond that will allow such services to continue even if they go belly up before those 20 years are through.

  • All vehicle features where cloud connections are not essential to their function must be operable without any cloud connection. So it's fine if after 20 years you can't pull the contacts from your google account to display on the car's screen, or if GPS map updates no longer work. But the door locks or seat heaters better not be cloud connected.

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[–] OR3X@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (22 children)

My new vehicle has remote start, but only via the app. It's a useful feature but frustrating that my trim level doesn't also have it available via the keyfob. Once the manufacturer ends support for my vehicle I will lose the feature out-right.

[–] tidderuuf@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Sounds like you own the vehicle and can make whatever modifications you want to it in order for it's features you purchased to work.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 14 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah but that costs extra time and money they shouldn't have to spend

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

We'll need new regulation to stop this. And, we won't get it with the capitalists in charge.

[–] hummingbird@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

No worries, your cloud vehicle will not survive the cloud. Its electronics are so noumerous and irrepairable that cloud cars will never reach the age of cars build in the past.

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