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I discovered this after upgrading our instance yesterday, which also upgraded all frontends to their latest versions as well. After I did, our Tesseract frontend stopped working and I noticed immediately as it's been my primary for a while. Initially I thought it was an API version mismatch, but no, it was much worse.

Someone pointed out that the developer of the frontend added an explicit hidden and unmodifiably blacklist which includes any and all instances to the left of Kissinger. There's a commit which also explains their specious reasoning about our instance specifically, as it seems we've been on their shit list for a bit longer than that.

This instance and its admin staff encourages identity politics, groupthink, mob mentality, and extremist solutions to societal problems. Users who advocate violence are not moderated so long as the admins agree with the target. Caution and critical thinking are advised when interacting with this instance or its users.

When you use tesseract to connect to one blacklisted such instance , you just get a message informing you that Tesseract is "incompatible with that instance" which leads one to think of a technical issue, like an API mismatch, rather than the dev being an opinionated coward.

Isn't it funny how all the software developed by turbolibs, like Piefed and Tesseract, end up with hidden control mechanisms from developers who think they know better than everyone else? That they don't just think they deserve to tell you what you should think, but they should manipulate you to think it? Isn't it funny how libs go on about how bad it is to support lemmy due to the ideology of the devs behind it, and yet lemmy has 0 opinions as a software? It does make one think...

Anyway, I forked - it as one does - and disabled the blacklist, but since this is a massively ideologically compromised software, I'll doubt I'll keep this frontend up after Lemmy 1.0. I think we'll bring up mlmym again now that someone's maintaining it again.

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[–] rethnor@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 days ago

I would appear asimon04 changed their name to paulo-roger. It appears they are trying to remove some of their repo from public view. But git doesn't remove data just because it's orphaned.

Here are some updated links, these might be good for another week before git does GC.

link in title: https://github.com/paulo-roger/tesseract/blob/e70e3a3cef739c59288ec78f0bbb4f0e1b4fa194/src/lib/blacklists.ts#L2270

Commit Explaining Specious reasoning: https://github.com/paulo-roger/tesseract/commit/2b53f17a5506b7c4b3ad1d5c26af49662f03a478

Old Main before they rolled it back 3 years: https://github.com/paulo-roger/tesseract/blob/e70e3a3cef739c59288ec78f0bbb4f0e1b4fa194/

[–] FE80@lemmy.world 92 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Devs like this do not belong with open source projects.

[–] gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Fascist bootlickers you mean?

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[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I agree. People who do this are emotionally compromised and in my opinion can't be trusted when writing code. There was a different developer who through similar political convictions made his software wipe PCs that were in Russia or Belarus. Maybe that seems more extreme but it comes from the same politically charged and emotionally compromised place.

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[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus 83 points 1 week ago (7 children)

What the hell?!? Why isn't Anarchist Nexus on the blacklist? Are we not posting hard enough? 👿 /j

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 1 week ago (3 children)
[–] ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 49 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Blahaj.zone is certainly not "extremist". It's a pretty innocent instance. Must be some major queerphobia going on here.

[–] cavitationfetishist2@quokk.au 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Well, they're radical about their genders. Gender is dangerous. You know, to their social order at least. Also lots of organic chemistry involved, and we all know that shit's cursed.

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[–] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 31 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Oh whoops 😅. I guess we were banned before this commit?

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 week ago

I suspect so. I think it all came down during the big slapfight with piefed where A.N. was the first one to get pointed at for "extremism"

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[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 58 points 1 week ago (9 children)

lmfao. What a weirdo. Gotta be top 10 most pathetic things in software dev.

Also holy fuck I would be ready with the cluebat if I wasted my time troubleshooting sabotage.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Didn't help that the latest update opened some doors to the all-oppressing chinese botnet scrapers and brought the instance to its knees. I was up until 3am firefighting yesterday.

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I thought you were running iocane or one of those fake link mazes?

Did it have some way to hit the DB past it? How?

Man remember when it just kinda worked to use robots.txt (ok Baidu always misbehaved but it didn't always exist). The internet used to be so cool if you were one of the weirdos initiated to the mysteries.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I 'member. Capitalism ruins everything...

We do run iocaine but that only takes care of known spam subnets and scraping agents. You need to know who to target to send in iocaine first. In front of that we have haphash which is a PoW. We don't use it site-wide though, as we're ok people scraping well-cached things like our frontpage. We use it on dynamic content like comments which scrapers love to scrape by the millions, each of them causing a DB query which we cannot cache.

It seems that new lemmy added some new url paths which I didn't know about (I think /comment/ is new, before it was all just /post/) which the botnmets discovered after a few hours and started scraping. On top of that I noticed that some scrapers were using random wildcard domain to go to the main site, so I punted those to iocaine as well.

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[–] oats@piefed.zip 55 points 1 week ago (10 children)

The commit history of that file (not naming it denylist is telling enough, tbh) is hilarious!

Shadowbanning users in the client, telling users they are subscribed to the wrong communities, it has everything lol

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 49 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Amazing how these projects keep killing themselves by alienating huge portions of their userbase. Hard to survive in a FOSS environment by being extremely reactionary.

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[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Why the fuck are trans-friendly instances blocked too?? They just make wholesome memes and once in a while come over to comment ":3"

[–] Abyssian@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I blocked a lot of them because I'm not a fan of seeing the same shit page after page. For instance the flood of selfies recently.

But deciding what a user does and doesn't want on their feed should be the user's decision, not some sneaky hidden bullshit pulled by the world's lamest dev.

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[–] Allero@lemmy.today 44 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You don't understand! Freedom of speech is only good when it's freedom of their speech!

But seriously, this recent shift of project leads deciding what users should and shouldn't see is concerning. And honestly, I could give them the benefit of the doubt if they added it as some sort of opt-in list. But no.

They will force their narrative down the users' throats.

I might not always agree with db0, the Anarchist Flotilla, or the Tankie Triad. But whatever shakes Lemmy right now, consider me an ally. Whatever these egocentric folks attempt to create, it is everything Lemmy was created to replace.

Also, that's a lovely list they made of places to follow.

[–] Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de 39 points 1 week ago (7 children)

addy.io, mozmail.com (Firefox Relay) and even proton.me in THROWAWAY_EMAIL_DOMAINS. No Simplelogin/Proton pass though

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 1 week ago (22 children)
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[–] hatingfedizen@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I had stopped using it, but I found the Bias checks useful, but then I looked more into https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ and how the classify certain sites (like Times of Israel somewhat is left-center-leaning lol) and gave up on it. This blocklist of instances is ridiculous.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 1 week ago

Ye the Media Bias Check was cringe but I could ignore it until now.

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[–] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

There’s a commit which also explains their specious reasoning about our instance specifically, as it seems we’ve been on their shit list for a bit longer than that.

As of that commit (April 29) the instance blacklist didn't even include lemmy.ml !

confused travolta meme, no text, transparent background

... but i see a month later they added us in this commit, while removing a large list of specific users and communities which they were also previously hiding content from.

[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well well well

export let CONTENT_WARNING_INSTANCES = [
    {
        domain: "lemmy.dbzer0.com",
        reason: `This instance and its admin staff encourages identity politics, groupthink, mob mentality, and extremist solutions
to societal problems. Users who advocate violence are not moderated so long as the admins agree with the target. 
Caution and critical thinking are advised when interacting with this instance or its users.`
    },
   
]

identity politics

GODDAMMIT I HAVE TO FIGHT THE WOKE WITH MY CODE!!!!! frothingfash

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I consider it a badge of honor that we were the OG "identity politics, groupthink, mob mentality, and extremist solutions to societal problems" instance before it was cool.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

Damn, missed the hall of fame club.

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[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There is a good reason to have crowdsourced filters for spammers and chuds, but this shit ain't the way.

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[–] Trampampoline@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 week ago

This instance and its admin staff encourages identity politics, groupthink, mob mentality, and extremist solutions to societal problems. Users who advocate violence are not moderated so long as the admins agree with the target. Caution and critical thinking are advised when interacting with this instance or its users.

What a stirring endorsement.

I say, keep it up!

What's more anarchist than taking their code and liberating it?

[–] Stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It is kind of amusing to me how often these people who run their own instances force other people to accept their own ideology.

Admiral Patrick has ruined all credibility and has proven that he doesn't add value to the fediverse. He actively detracts from it by shaping instances other than his own into his own image. Without their consent.

I'm not saying this because I'm on that user list (fucking lol) but because it's just pathetic. Rimu is doing the same thing on Piefed, Kaplan tried to do something similar by pressuring other instances to blacklist Dbzer0... Meanwhile the Flotilla seems to be the only ones willing to be completely transparent about what is going on and actually have their users decide.

And for Admiral Patrick, considering the dipshit seems to love Star Trek so much, let me remind you of what someone far better than you once said who you seem to admire.

With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.

I'm adding on my own quote.

Fuck you.

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[–] Delascas@feddit.uk 30 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Any chance you could post his blacklist? I'd like to know where I should be subscribing . . ?

Thanks for your great work.

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (6 children)
export const BLACKLISTED_INSTANCES: string[] = [
        "abolish.capital",
        "altmedia.house",
        "anarchist.nexus",
        "chapo.chat",
        "chatgptjailbreak.tech",
        "diggita.com",
        "hexbear.com",
	"hexbear.net",
        "ibbit.at",
        "test.hexbear.net",
        "www.hexbear.net",
        "hilariouschaos.com",
        "lemmy.bestiver.se",
        "lemmy.blahaj.zone",
        "lemmy.dbzer0.com",
        "lemmy.doesnotexist.club",
        "lemmy.durstig.online",
        "lemmy.ml",
        "lemmy.razbot.xyz",
        "lemmybefree.net",
        "lemmygrad.ml",
        "lemmyusa.com",
        "lemy.lol",
        "maga.place",
        "multiverse.soulism.net",
        "news.abolish.capital",
        "nnia.space",
        "noauthority.social",
        "r.nf",
        "realbitcoin.cash",
        "redlemmy.com",
        "welppp.com"
]
[–] Quokka@quokk.au 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Oh this is bullshit!

Quokk.au is both trans and anarchist; why are we not on this Nazi’s ban list? I demand the developer include us.

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 1 week ago (15 children)

Fuck me...

ugggggghhhhhh

Our 'liberals' aren't liberal.

That comment you highlighted just reads like a jordanlund modlog defending genocide by way of banning someone who says 'genociders should die instead, actually'.

They can't help themselves from being elitists.

Its like they're hardwired, they're so incredibly insecure that they front this moral superiority god complex, and anything that challenges the actual logic of that morality is fundamentally evil... because they can't be wrong.

These people are confused... they're reactionary conservatives, they're wannabe politicos/consultants... literal thought police, frame keepers of the overton window.

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[–] zane@infosec.pub 27 points 1 week ago

Nice work. That guy can go fuck himself.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 27 points 1 week ago (17 children)

Congrats @hexbear for being #1 on this guy's list.

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[–] Carcharodonna@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Also seems to include queer instances like blahaj.zone, which is... Interesting. Blahaj is pretty tame I think as far as leftist politics goes, but is explicitly a trans instance, so I can't help but think that's the reason they are being blocked.

Also, I have never seen this app, but is it useful at all? If there is any value, would it be worth it to fork it and make a better version with the hidden blocklist removed?

EDIT: Derp. I somehow missed that it was already forked with the blacklist removed.

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[–] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 week ago

What a pathetic thing to do

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