88
War in Ukraine Has China Cashing In (www.nytimes.com)
submitted 9 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world
14 comments fedilink hide all child comments

The country’s trade with Russia this year has exceeded $200 billion, and makers of cars and trucks are the big winners.

On China’s snowy border with Russia, a dealership that sells trucks has seen its sales double in the past year thanks to Russian customers. China’s exports to its neighbor are so strong that Chinese construction workers built warehouses and 20-story office towers at the border this summer.

The border town Heihe is a microcosm of China’s ever closer economic relationship with Russia. China is profiting from Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, which has led Russia to switch from the West to China for purchases of everything from cars to computer chips.

Russia, in turn, has sold oil and natural gas to China at deep discounts. Russian chocolates, sausages and other consumer goods have become plentiful in Chinese supermarkets. Trade between Russia and China surpassed $200 billion in the first 11 months of this year, a level the countries had not expected to reach until 2024.

Russia’s war in Ukraine has also gotten an image boost from China. State media disseminates a steady diet of Russian propaganda in China and around the world. Russia is so popular in China that social media influencers flock to Harbin, the capital of China’s northernmost province in the east, Heilongjiang, to pose in Russian garb in front of a former Russian cathedral there.

all 19 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This is not going to last. Russian economy is about to flip the fuck out though China got their cut already.

Will be interesting how China's opinions change once dirty money dries up but my guess is that they'll forever pretend to be fence sitters as long as Han China is doing well.

One interesting note on how down China was with new Russian market is that they started to print Russian text on national brand products like Huawei last year and I just a new pair of huawei ear phones that no longer have it. It's probably just a coincidence but it's kinda funny nevertheless.

[-] orbit@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

"Russian economy is about to flip the fuck out"

Just curious, what's your sourcing on that? I ask because this has been said since the sanctions were put in place but they've managed to limb along.

[-] Infiltrated_ad8271@kbin.social 5 points 9 months ago

It is strange, also according to the IMF forecasts GDP growth this and next year.

[-] orbit@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

It's looking like no one really knows - seeing mixed signals in the recent reporting. They are reporting higher GDP but the concern seems to be projected inflation increases and a possible housing bubble.

When diving into the reporting, I found some interesting nuggets referring to Putin directing his interior ministers toward manual economic controls since 2014. The thought is in mitigating crises (Crimea and now Ukraine). From looking at China, manual controls seem to work in the short term before mistakes set in long term. Curious to see how much longer Russia can hold out.

[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago

It's running way to fucking hot to be sustainable. You usually see it like this before hyperinflation sets in and people start eating grass.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 7 points 9 months ago

The thing about modern economies is that it's been pretty extensively proven by now that you can run on a war deficit for basically forever as long as you have a couple strong trade partners.

[-] orbit@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah I did a bit of looking around recent headlines and see similar sentiments:

I guess we'll see if they can dodge another bullet

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 3 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Xi Jinping, China’s top leader, and Russia’s president, Vladimir V. Putin, have made numerous public demonstrations of the nations’ close ties.

“Maintaining and developing China-Russian relations well is a strategic choice made by both sides on the basis of the fundamental interests of the two peoples,” Mr. Xi said as he met in Beijing on Wednesday with the Russian prime minister, Mikhail Mishustin.

German manufacturers like Mercedes-Benz and BMW used to be strong sellers in Russia, but they have pulled out in response to sanctions on the country by Europe, the United States and their allies.

But lower-middle-class and poor Russian families, whose members make up the bulk of the soldiers fighting the war, have stepped up purchases of affordable Chinese cars, according to Alexander Gabuev, the director of the Carnegie Russia Eurasia Center.

“Never before have we seen automakers from a single country gobble up so much market share so quickly — the Chinese came into a windfall,” said Michael Dunne, an Asia automotive consultant in San Diego.

But some laborers are finding work on the 2,600-mile Russian border, which until this year had a dearth of truck stops, customs processing centers, rail yards, pipelines and other infrastructure.

The original article contains 1,171 words, the summary contains 199 words. Saved 83%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

[-] Candelestine@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

... only so long as they can keep their transportation infrastructure up...

[-] Jaysyn@kbin.social -1 points 9 months ago

SHAMAN company is working on that problem right now.

[-] HubertManne@kbin.social -3 points 9 months ago

eyup. putin is pretty much building up china at a cost to russia. Its funny because hes always trying to build up stooges in other countries but all the while hes the chinese stooge. Seriously he has reduced himself and his country down to the level of the kims and north korea.

this post was submitted on 21 Dec 2023
88 points (97.8% liked)

World News

38531 readers
1806 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

Lemmy World Partners

News !news@lemmy.world

Politics !politics@lemmy.world

World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world

Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
quinten@lemmy.world
NewsAutoMod@lemmy.world
jordanlund@lemmy.world
Tenthrow@lemmy.world
little_cow@lemmy.world
lemmyAtom@lemmy.world
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world