200k in legal fees? What the fuck?
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Interesting:
Landlord probably tried to string it along to force the tenant to settle due to costs.
This is the default strategy that I have seen. Civil courts heavily favor flexing resources wih stall tactics.
Very rarely does it pay off for the smaller entity even if they do win, but it's always nice to see when it does.
I feel like there should be a circuit-breaker that stops the money flowing past a certain point. I don't care what accounting magic you use, a few hundred bucks should never balloon to 250k.
If the landlord dragged the proceedings in order to push their tenant into being unable to sue anymore, it's perfectly reasonable for said landlord to be fully on the hook for everything. He's lucky he's not charged for the court's time as well.
Hell yeah, fuck land parasites.
Totally bogus bill. Just replace the damn outlet, you dumbasses.
Also, nearly $300 to replace an outlet? I should have been an electrician.
Thats a nominal “get out of bed” kind of quote. You dont be a tradesman and drive to someone’s house for the $25 that it actually costs to do the job.
Good point. I do nearly everything myself, so I don't normally consider time and transit...
But I'll continue doing things myself when it costs that much!
That's how I learned to install a new circuit breaker into a breaker box. Electrician quoted me $600 in labor plus parts.
I figured it was $300 an hour, he only billed full hours, and he counted his time to give me a quote.
Ended up taking me 15 minutes.
HVAC is where the money is. $1000+ for replacing a compressor coil.
You don't think the electrician doing the work got all that, do you? The company that signs his paycheck took the lion's share.
Probably fair.
I was imagining an independent contractor type of guy, but it seems ~~walk~~ wall street owns everything now.
where the street walking towards?
You know it's a typo because there are no streets for walking in the US.
Haha too true.
Haha.

A lawyer for the landlord made clear under no uncertain terms that the Portland renter was about to make a stupid mistake — intimating in an email to Spring's attorneys that Spring "probably has a lower IQ." Lawyer John Berman also said he would cause Spring "great harm" and use Spring's words to "absolutely destroy" him on the stand.
Dude this lawyer harassed the client.
Fuck him.
They should move for sanctions next.
Disbarment is the only option and jail should follow as well.
What I was saying is that anybody who would make a big deal out of a $287 bill is low IQ."
Incredibly self-aware, isn't he?
Read the headline like "renter beats the shit out of landlord in court" like WTF, he wasn't even arrested, not only that, but was awarded $32k.
Sorry, english is not my native language.
I like your version. More tenants should beat the shit out of their landlords. America would be a better place.
Jesus christ, I'm an electrician, that's 90 second job that takes $4 in parts. Who the fuck is charging $2.75 per second to change an outlet!
Your boss.
The ~$35 you get for your time is your cut.
I'd unionize.
Drive to my house and I will pay you $4
Truthfully I'm surprised they even hired out an electrician for that. General handyman can replace an outlet.
As a non-proffessional I've replaced outlets in my own house. It took me 20 minutes for the first one. Now it takes about 10, but that because I triple check everything and go slow
A small job like that would charge a minimum of an hour, $4 for a receptacle, $30 for a gfi. We're looking at a $150 to $200 job.
So...
- A $287 bill
- $32.000 in settlement
- And a $225.000 legal fee that may or may not be paid by the losing party
US is a very crazy land
Its a silly place
It's a $1.68 socket. No way the landlord didn't have a handyman replace that in 15 minutes. Handyman hourly rate ~ $50
If he called a real electrician, it would have been around $150, including a full hour of labor. Landlords who don't handle exterminators* or collect trash on the regular* don't call real electricians; he probably called his nephew, and they each take a cut.
So the guy is slumlording, which is why he got the 32k payout.
The $225k legal fee is because the renters' lawyer wants to fuck the landlord over for being a dirtbag. He'll go after him himself for the 225k, perhaps reach a lower settlement. But it sounds like the landlord wants to appeal the whole thing; he's likely going to lose, again.
The interesting part, the outlet got Hot AF on the neutral side

The alarm clock would not have been the culprit. That was a loose connection in the outlet, or its wiring, certainly not the tenant's fault.
"* FTA"
We have the same problem with Medical. You go to the hospital for an extreme migraine, they give you $200 OTC painkiller, a $300 bill each from the triage nurse, the doctor that sees you and the doctor associated with whatever tests they run. They charge the insurance company $1100, the insurance company already has an agreement with them to only pay 30%. If you don't have insurance, you can often (but not always) talk them down to a reasonable rate closer to what it actually costs them.
Hahaha
Landlord and property managers are such idiots.
Judges don't like them, let's be clear. Judges will only side with them of they absolutely have to.
Remember, judges have family and friends themselves with these asshats too, plus judges see them in their courts all the time.
I hope on appeal they get hit even harder.
Depends on the judges. The county I grew up in was notorious for having republican leaning judges that almost always sided with the landlords.
County made a point to make sure landlords could evict as fast as legally possible.
Knew a few people that owned some apartments. The only credit I can give them is they bought raw land and built them themselves so they didn't just buy up existing housing supply. But yeah, I've heard their stories on the court's efficiency
Landlords are scum.
$225,000 to take a landlord to court. Lawyers suck.
This could have been completely avoided if landlords didn't suck way more.
Its very expensive to become an attorney from all the initial education (aka, repaying student loans). Add on to that the malpractice insurance, the licensing fees (fee for test + new license + maintain license), the continuing education costs, fees related to document discovery (ever try going through 200k documents by yourself?), the researching fees (lexis/west law/bloomberg), the filing fees to submit filings to the court/regulating body, the fees to access the docketing portals, and the costs related to hiring employees to help (the secretary, the paralegal, the receptionist, etc), and the regular office supplies (paper, electricity, rent, binders, etc.), then it starts to make sense why attorneys fees add up.
Pretty crazy story. But the judges are right: The landlord basically took revenge for the renter to seek help in the legal system by rising the rent and such behavior needs to be very strongly discouraged.
I don't see how else to deter other landlords from doing the same. The consequences have to be dire to deter behavior which is rather unlikely to make it into a courtroom because most people don't sue.
Won't stop them. They'll just raise the rent on other tenants to pay for it and go on being slumlords.
The electrician did a piss poor job, the slotted head should be vertical.
In court... NOOOO!