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How the fuck is it even remotely legal for a politician to sign an NDA with a corporation to hide information from their constituents?

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[–] tristynalxander@mander.xyz 8 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

The United States is not a democracy. Power does not rest with the populous.

Electoral Democracy has four required mechanism: Ranked Voting, Lottery Option, Recall Mechanism, Randomized Districting. Neither the United States, nor any of it states, nor any of its cities or counties to my knowledge qualify as a democracy. The vast majority aren't even on the democratic spectrum. Top to bottom, we are electoral oligarchy. When you lack democracy, you lack consent of the governed, and your governments are not legitimate. They are both inherently and demonstrably corrupt.

We must move to install these democratic mechanisms in our local governments. We must entrench democracy.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 hours ago

"OK next question. Can your head fit into this basket?"

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago

How the fuck is it even remotely legal for a politician to sign an NDA with a corporation to hide information from their constituents?

Who would prosecute, even if it was? Bet the DAs are wrapped up in this as much as anyone else.

[–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 16 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Can you have recall elections? Those are no longer your politicians, they are corporate employees.

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

You'd think people would look at all these political jagoffs and think,"Nope, not voting for that corrupt mother fucker again. Fool me once..." But then, these fucking shit voters, the idiotic population, continues to vote for the same fucking people expecting things to change. They fucking know that reps aren't helping them, but still vote the same. I'll continue to vote for the better candidates, but I've given up hope of seeing change before I shuttle off this mortal coil.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

Without punishment or consequences, it doesn't matter. We're cooked.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 42 points 21 hours ago

Corruption, corruption everywhere and not a drop to drink (because the data centers sucked up all of the good drinking water).

[–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 88 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Public officials should not be able to sign NDAs with private businesses.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

What stops them?

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 17 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

We are all disenfranchised on this great day.

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[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 82 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It should not be legal for elected officials to sign NDAs with corporations.

That was my reaction before I even read the text at the bottom of the post.

[–] sunsofold@lemmy.zip 49 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It should not be legal for elected officials to sign NDAs ~~with corporations~~.

Part of the price for being given the power of office should be the loss of privacy. If you are an official, you are no longer a private citizen. You are a representative and should not be doing anything you want to keep secret from your constituency.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

Except for personal stuff. But any action that will impact anyone outside of their family should be public.

[–] sunsofold@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 hours ago

Nope. All of it. It should be unappetizing to take power over others. If someone wants to have authority to afflict thousands if not millions of people with their existence, they don't get to have any space to hide their crimes. If they don't want to make that sacrifice to keep us safe, they can just stay home. No one is forcing them to seek public office.

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[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 day ago (7 children)

I generally agree with that, but sometimes government officials have to perform official duties that require confidentiality.

If they're intervening on behalf of a constituent and it involves medical or otherwise personal information, then they should be required to maintain confidentiality. Whether that requires an NDA or something else is a different question.

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[–] iocase@lemmy.zip 48 points 1 day ago (4 children)

PSA most NDAs are unenforceable BS. Same with non-competes. You can't prevent a person from making a living. The only thing NDAs can really cover are true trade secrets that could cause actual damages to the company. Otherwise in the US a company can't make you sign your right to free speech away.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

PSA most NDAs are unenforceable BS.

They expose you to vexation litigation within the same public bureaucracy that these companies are buying up.

If you want to see what a private industry can do to fuck over an attorney with a spine and a bit of skill, just check out the history of Steven Donzinger.

[–] Sirdubdee@piefed.social 16 points 18 hours ago

And as an elected official, you should not be able to sign away your constituents’ ability to have a transparent government.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The only thing NDAs can really cover are true trade secrets that could cause actual damages to the company.

Isn't it very easy for companies to argue any confidential information/agreement would damage them?

[–] iocase@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It has to be a specific trade secret AND cause actual damages.

If you leaked the secret recipe to coca cola and now competitors don't just make cokealikes, but literal coke for half the price, you get nuked from orbit.

If I help a company develop machine learning I can talk about my implementation, the problems I solved, how I did it, what design decisions I made .etc because all of that is reasonable to an experienced software engineer. If I had some novel idea nobody else had that company would have patented it, or specifically named it as a trade secret and not just "it's all a trade secret plz don't talk or we SLAPP you with a dumb lawsuit"

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you can't afford the time or money to defend yourself from a SLAPP lawsuit, the legality doesn't matter much anymore. It is unfortunately in most peoples best financial interests to not personally test the legality of unenforceable BS.

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago

Exactly, corporations care not for the legality. It's just that the very existence of a signed NDA opens up the power to suit, countersuit or in general drown a person in so many administrative fees that they are condemned to eternal poverty anyway. Whether the actual text is legal or not is irrelevant. An NDA is a weapon in many other ways.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 13 points 1 day ago

several governors already okayed the project in thier states

[–] jasoman@lemmy.world 105 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Who would arrest them? The whole system is corrupt

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The cop who is gonna end up living next door to a gas turbine powered data center?

[–] jasoman@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

Thought he just shoot his anger at minorities?

[–] zarathustrad@lemmy.world 42 points 1 day ago (4 children)

An ignorant and unengaged electorate is just asking for it. When you're rich they let you do it, you can do anything.

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[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 58 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Michigan Constitution Art. 4 § 11 protects state legislators from liability for speech in the legislature. A similar clause that applies to local councillors would prevent these sorts of contracts because they wouldn't be binding; the councillors could openly violate the non-disclosure agreement during the council sessions and would be immune from liability for breaching the agreement. That being said, being legally allowed to speak won't persuade a person who doesn't want to speak from staying silent. If the company in question offered a huge bribe to not talk, that's not something that can be solved by the legislature. That's a problem for the prosecutor's office.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

And who is going to stand up to them and enforce the law?

[–] qualia@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So they're less worried about civil liability and more concerned about being sued for "breach of contract" and possibly having to return the bribe?

[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Contract law is a branch of the civil law and breach of contract gives rise to civil liability.

Let's talk about legal bribes vs illegal bribes.

A "legal bribe" would be something like offering some crazy incentive to a councillor that is tied to the project being approved, like saying "We're thinking about donating $100,000 to your re-election campaign" or "Your son should apply for our data analyst position with an annual salary of $100,000". There is no explicit agreement, just a wink and a nod. But the person being bribed knows that the receipt of the reward is contingent on their acting according to the bribe offerer's wishes. This form of bribery is legal in the United States and actually constitutionally protected according to the infamously fucked-up Supreme Court case Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission. If the councillor doesn't do what the data centre company wants, they'll simply not receive the donation or their son won't get the job.

An "illegal bribe" is just a classic bribe: an agreement that we will pay you X dollars cash if you do Y. That's illegal in the US and carries strict penalties. But since it's illegal, if the money has already been paid and the bribe recipient doesn't do what was agreed, or the bribe offerer doesn't pay after the bribe recipient does what they're told, there is absolutely no recourse to the legal system because courts will not enforce contracts for illegal activities.

The NDA is probably a legal bribe. The company invites the councillor to discuss the data centre project at the fanciest restaurant in town, makes them sign an NDA that "all details of the meeting will remain confidential", then discusses the possibility of the campaign donation or nepo job offer at the meeting. Then the company pays for the meal on the company card. All of that is technically legal, but of course, it's horribly corrupt so if the locals caught wind of it, they'd run the councillor out of town. Entire municipal councils have been recalled from office before as a result of unpopular data centre projects.

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[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (9 children)

I think non-disclosure agreements and the existence of billionaires are mutually dependent.

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[–] 20cello@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago

Peak corruption

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