It clicks anew for people every single day, my brothers and sisters
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Still not gonna do anything about it.
Well, I maybe have good news for this person... AMOC collapse is an anticipated effect of global warming and it would paradoxically make it much, much colder in Ireland. As in "Ice Age" colder.
It does not conclude it would make it much, much colder. It concludes the collapse would reduce the addition of heat from AMOC to the area but does not seem to include heat addition from anything else, like global warming itself. AMOC collapse may just offset heating from elsewhere.
That's pretty pedantic. If AMOC stops supplying heat, of course Western Europe will get colder. We don't know exactly by how much or what other effects are in play by then, but it stands to reason Western Europe will get much colder than if they still had AMOC
Would the area AMOC pumps heats from also get hotter? Given their hot water won't be pulled to a colder location, get cooled and come back down.
I assume it's a double whammy
When?
The problem with climate change models:
Climate science is science. It works on what's tested confirmed and very known. It is a method for being very sure and understanding pretty deeply before you speak confidently, and revising that confidence when necessary.
What's going on is unprecedented total destructing of an unfathomably complicated planetary scale systems from physics its difficult to model. We barely predict accurate weather a week out with computers, and that was before we scrapped all the sensors (defunded NOAA) and tasked all the super computers to making bespoke CSAM.
So there's a lot of things we don't think to include in the model, a lot of interactions we didn't even know were happening or how they would fuck up, and a lot of runaway feedback loops we didn't gave data to model. And a scientist with integrity can only add what they know is there. They can't add an allowance for 'shit we didn't think of, and we never think of everything' even though they reliably do not think of everything, because we're constantly surprised by things we couldn't model or didn't think of previously. The amount of co2 released when permafrost thaws was not included in older models, and if it had been we couldn't have known how much there would be before it started.
So the models, even the pessimistic models, will never be as grim as reality. They can't be. They're based on what we already know for sure, and cwe are looking at a flock of black swans' is not something one can model with scientific integrity. The disaster is moving too fast, with over a century's momentum.
This is an immediate existential threat, and if you do not exercise all violence your conscience permits against the people most responsible concluding every billionaire, extraction exec, congressman, right wing politician (jimbob down the street who rolls coal and works on an oil rig doesn't move the needle. Fuck him, but he won't move the needle. dont take his murder from the kids he's raping)
That’s the trillion-Euro question, and the answer so far is “between 15 years and never,” but some researchers have said they are seeing early signs of the current weakening. It’s a controversial topic in climate research, but it’s one of lose “low probability, high impact” events that can’t be safely ignored.
I'm convinced it's "when, not if" given our collective inaction
Two days before the day after tmrw.
Take a scientist's estimate and watch as a select few in power with no self-preservation instinct divide that number in half.
In a very real sense I'd say this sort of thing belongs in Leopards Ate My Face.
There are a lot of these people who are all of a sudden "Oh, this was not just doomsaying on the part of some radical scientists, this is a real thing." Now that they're actually experiencing the consequences of the last 40 years of complete and total inaction, they are expressing their regret. And, I'm sorry but you all voted for this. You all actively decided to ignore the problem because it was not affecting you at the time. And you didn't really think it would ever actually affect you. And now that it is, you're sad about it. And a lot of these people were even mocking people like Greta Thunberg for her anger at the complete indifference to the global climate crisis we were headed towards. And, to that and them, I say fuck you! We all tried to warn you and you simply ignored us. And now we are all in the same sinking boat together. And for my money, you deserve any and all hardships that you experience due to this climate crisis.
Gore won his election and the supreme court took it away from us. You can't blame the voters completely, at least in the USA.
Agree, welcome to the fucking conversation pal, too bad you had to be bitch slapped across the face before you realized it was heading right for you all this time.
I personally have been prepping, bought property in areas that will fare better, hopefully, trying to be more independent with food and focusing on community. Looking into solar to get off grid. And the biggest, not having kids because I didn't want to doom anyone to this purposefully. The signs were all there, some of us paid attention.
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One of the frustrating things is people acting like they were engaging this discussion in good faith decades ago. They've gotten away with being extraordinarily selfish for most of their lives, and now turn around and go oops.
This had already been explained to them and they refused to listen when the whole world depended on it.
Is this guy better than someone still denying it now? Sure, whatever. We're still allowed to be mad at them for the damage they've done, like a vandal who suddenly stops and apologizes.
The petrol psyops really did a number on humanity
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Becoming (at least partially) vegetarian/vegan is one of the most impactful solo actions that a person can take.
On the surface yes but until corporations and business are brought to heel, they will simply use up the space you made with your sacrifice. The primary entities responsible for climate change is the private sector, people seeking power and profit without regard to cost. They shift the blame to consumers who choose only from what options business already decided to provide, as if we're at fault. We are not. Corporations and selfish, narcissistic CEOs and shareholders are the responsible parties. They've been told, shown the science, had it explained it to them personally by the foremost experts, watched the changes unfold, and they keep choosing to kill the planet, and if anyone tries to force them to stop, those systems are relentlessly attacked, like environmental agencies and government oversight, taxation etc.
Us as individuals are not responsible for the choices in business and politics that continue to disregard the warnings, to chase their insatiable psychological need for more power. This is all on them. Every last bit of it and when it finally reaches a point that they can't ignore the consequences, they will force us to sacrifice so they don't have to, even if that means we stop having children or start dying at younger and younger ages.
While it is on them, that does not mean is individually are off the hook. I'm all for holding the accountable, but at the end of the day we buy their products.
Yes I know it was a propaganda campaign, yes I know they do more. That doesn't mean we should keep using fossil fuels because they do worse. In fact it should drive us to remove fossil fuels from out lives even more, denying them our money.
Gas furnace? Switch to a heat pump. Gas water heater? Electric or heat pump. If you can, solar on the roof. Reduce your driving and take the bus or ride a bike. Think of what would happen if even 20% of people removed their gas furnaces within the next 3 years.
So no, you aren't off the hook for your usage.
Disagree. The government should not allow products to be sold that are detrimental to our common welfare. The corruption of politics by private companies has made that impossible. Fuck them. I'm not sacrificing to clean up their mess while they take in profits and make every effort to thwart that cleanup. They propagandize us against making sacrifices to continue coercing us to buy their shit.
Our entire culture is propaganda and coercion to serve shareholder interests. They already won on that front and I'm not spending my life struggling to find joy in the hellscape they made by making even more sacrifices while those with the most power make absolutely none. Enough is enough. They need to stop because nothing I or you can do can stop them. They created this mess, they can make all the sacrifices necessary to clean it up and if they don't then maybe we deserve extinction.
I don't think we're agreeing or disagreeing, because I agree with everything you said.
However - once you realize all of that, I believe you are also culpable of your own personal contributions.
It is not an "Us or them", it is both. I admit it's 90% them, but there is some fraction that is ours as well, and for my house, I am very happy that (except for the waterheater), completely carbon neutral.
I won't hold it against anyone for having a gas car when they were under the spell, but I definitely hold it against them if their next purchase is another gas guzzler, or gas stove, or gas furnace, because they are happily giving money to the oil companies.
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Many people got the message, however wrong, that it was nothing to worry about for 100 years, and read things like "2.1C" and figured that wasn't very much.
Of course, our public education system being dismantled by the billionaires hasn't helped at all. At least, it hasn't helped we the poors, they're getting exactly what they wanted.
Yeah instead of global average temperatures they should have been telling about the extremes any one particular country might see.
"X Country will have 60°C summer days before 2050!" Is a lot scarier than 2.1° globally.
Whoever called it a "climate warming" should be shot in the head. Because yes, yes it is warming in general, but the choice to call it that was terrible. It's summer, temperature is below 20C today, my neighbors are saying "where the fuck is climate warming? those idiots said it will be hot!"
It should be called climate destabilization, focusing not on hot/cold but on extreme weather.
"Global warming" is the accurate term. So that is what they called it. Science is not now nor has it ever been about branding and populism. The world is, as a whole, becoming warmer and that is leading to the complete destabilization of climate systems across the globe. But the fact is that it is incredibly hard to predict the total outcome of global warming and climate change. So making predictions becomes a very dangerous game. And I would like to add that when they saw that the phrase "global warming" was not getting enough attention they changed it to "climate change" to try to be more accurate in a way that people would understand better (see the dipshit congressman who brought a snowball on to the Congressional floor to "prove that global warming was fake"). But then that backfired too because climate change doesn't sound quite so dangerous. So most people felt completely comfortable in totally ignoring it.
There's also the problem of the consequences of global warming and climate change are future problems that people don't believe they have to worry about right now. There's a very real "fix it in the future" attitude that has become prevalent in society. And the problem with that is, of course, we can't fix it in the future. Because once the destabilization of the global climate system starts, there is virtually nothing we can do to stop it. We may be able to mitigate some of the effects. But not the long-term destruction of the environment that we have become so accustomed to living in.
That's why they changed it to "climate change".
Yea but then some mouth-breather goes “the climate has always changed iver time!” while ignoring the fact that it often came with extinction events, and also happened over a much longer time than a handful of generations.
Nothing you call it will ever satisfy the people who need Climate Change to be wrong to preserve their pride.
The fact is that they are just regurgitating what they were told, so they will never take a real stance or think about it. At least the poster in the image is finally breaking out of the trance, even if it is 40 years later than he should have.
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