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If you're not familiar with the LEGO scandal, the tl;dw is that this YouTuber Reckless Ben (Ben Schneider) has been investigating a stolen set of LEGO worth ~$100-200k (depending on who you ask) and the local police dept and criminal justice system has been colluding with the criminals (all members of the local Mormon church) to get him to STFU. The long version is, very long. You can check his channel for more.

Previously the local police dept managed to get a warrant to raid Ben's rental home with guns drawn and arrest him, based on what is clearly fabricated evidence. Here they appear to have done it again to get access to his Google account.

The linked video is mirrored on Peertube and timestamped to the relevant section.

Ben does also provide a copy of the subpoena in the video but I cannot vouch for its' validity, and he has used placeholder evidence before, but that's neither here nor there.

Anyway, the part that was relevant to this community was that in the course of their investigation they subpoenaed Google, and Google handed over basically his entire life to them. I'm sure this was very useful in their investigation.

I don't necessarily blame Google here for complying with a subpoena, but the moral of the story is to stop giving Google your data, because everything you say and do can and will be used against you in a court of law, with or without legitimate justification, and the more stuff you give them, the more ammunition you're providing the prosecutor.

This is also not exclusive to Google. Anything not local, self-hosted or encrypted a la Proton can be subpoenaed and the provider will have to comply. It just so happens that Google probably has more information about literally everyone in the world than any other particular entity.

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[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 4 points 53 minutes ago (1 children)

What was the value of the Lego collection in this scandal? 200k? It's wild just how far people are willing to go over what's ultimately not even enough money to retire off of, and only a couple of years' living expenses in some cities

[–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 24 minutes ago* (last edited 24 minutes ago)

Sounds like they've been successfully getting away with this sort of thing for a long time. So in the long run, probably way more money.

[–] Iambus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Brick by brick!

[–] BouteilleBrune@lemmy.world 20 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

it would seem their whole legal system is as corrupt as their government

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

I live here, and yes, it's corrupt.

It has been for at least 50 years, now most of all. It's not as blatant as some countries re open bribery, but our "news" sources have been owned by the bourgeoisie since at least the 90s, every year they bought up more and more smaller, local news sources; now only a few remain, all firmly under control.

Abuses of power are rampant, just not reported often. So we have more room for Kanye coverage, two-page spread

[–] mcv@lemmy.zip 16 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

The lesson here is not to trust Google or other non-encrypted storage with your stuff. There are email providers that are more protective of your stuff, but more than that: don't store everything in one place. That way if one account is compromised, not everything is exposed. And American companies are more likely to share your data than European ones.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 6 points 14 hours ago

Yes I did say that but thank you for reiterating.

[–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 11 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

So is the youtuber the one who got his lego stolen? Or is he just a journalist reporting on this story?

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Ben is a YouTube entertainer that found out about this situation. He’s more activist than journalist. I think the original owner sold the collection to Ben.

[–] Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

The original owner didn't sell it to anyone. It was on consignment with Bricks n Minifigs. Hence the whole issue to begin with.

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

There was some «sale» as a part of the process. But yeah.

[–] TastySoup@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago

Clarifying for the curious because it's been a whole saga: Original owner (Brian) of the legos did consignment deal with BAM, and it was going well til new owners took over, but when it went sour with new owners Ben got involved.

During one of their many creative attempts to resolve the matter, they decided to have Brian "sell" the legos to Ben and some of his friends (I think it was 10k worth of legos each because that was the threshold for small claims court.)

So yea, there was a "sale" as part of the trying to recover them process, and yea, the original consignment deal with BAM is what started the whole ordeal.

[–] megopie@beehaw.org 8 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

He’s reporting on it and trying to help the victim get restitution.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 52 points 22 hours ago (11 children)

Just as an fyi, if you'd self hosted your services, they would probably subpoena you, and you would be obligated to give them all your data from your own server, and if you'd refus, your be in deep, deep shit

It doesn't matter where you store data, if it's stored, it can be used

[–] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 12 hours ago

How so? You cannot be forced to accuse yourself. If your self-hosted data is on encrypted hard drives then they can't do anything about it.

Except in the UK where you can be forced to provide decryption keys.

[–] DanceMomsSavedMe@lemmy.zip 6 points 12 hours ago

"Well boys I sure hope you can get in to this because I lost the password ages ago I remember it was a set of 15 random words with capitals in random spots but just can't remember the order..."

Then your lawyer gets to tell the jury that you complied.

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

And that’s where good encryption comes into play. At least in the US, (where this case is happening), they can compel you to turn over the encrypted data blob. But they can’t compel you to give them the password to access the data. Because forcing you to give up the password would violate your 5th amendment right to remain silent.

Also, they probably wouldn’t subpoena you and give you a chance to respond; they would just bust your front door down and take your server. You wouldn’t have an opportunity to peacefully turn the data over to them. Only the wealthy get subpoenas. The rest of us get no-knock search warrants, dead pets, (because cops will shoot any dogs that are present when they execute the warrant), and traumatized/injured/killed family members who happened to be home at the time.

[–] Upgrayedd1776@sh.itjust.works 9 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

they respected the lemon pound cake tho...

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

That incident reminded me of Kevin Mitnick leaving a box of donuts for the FBI lol.

[–] renrenPDX@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

They’ll just come in and take ALL your PC/server hardware and hold it as evidence. Preferably with a warrant, but if they “fear” that you may destroy evidence, they can seize everything regardless of warrant. If you’re legally ordered to decrypt and refuse to do so, you’ll be held in contempt of court and probably jailed/fined for who knows how long.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

You didn't refuse. You forgot the passphrase.

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[–] Meatwagon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

I've been following this and he keeps making so many mistakes. Stop talking to the police, bro. Stop trying to get the shop owner on camera.

File lawsuits against the company (I know he tried and the cop refused to issue the summons illegally, so you do it again after filing a complaint against the police), and file every lawsuit possible outside of that district.

But that's not good views for YouTube. He just keeps giving them more ammunition to go after him.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 33 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Lawsuits do no good when they are invisible. He's exposed insane police and judge corruption that would be swept under the rug becuase of no exposure. If utah decides they dont like you or me, we would be fucked, in jail for made up lies, becuase we dont have millions of people watching.

[–] cunnililgus@sopuli.xyz 16 points 20 hours ago

After he got forcibly muted by court I believe he finally spoke to lawyers and then he won pretty quick.

I suspect he was playing 4D chess, and decided to show what your chances are in the system if you play it by the book and alone, which most people who can't afford a lawyer would do, and what also the thieves relied on. They told the victim directly try to sue us and you'll end up paying more in lawyer costs.

[–] potate@lemmy.ca 8 points 18 hours ago

Damn, I hadn't heard about this but that video is a wild ride...

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Given the US is currently rotting from the top down and the bottom up I wonder if this guy will get lucky and find some help from the middle that isn't yet so corrupt.

[–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 22 points 1 day ago

He has a civil rights lawyer with a youtube channel helping him on the criminal charges and has hired some other lawyer to help with the civil charges (hence the move for those to federal court). So he's getting there.

[–] ulkesh@piefed.social 13 points 21 hours ago

the local police dept and criminal justice system has been colluding with the criminals (all members of the local Mormon church)

Sounds about on par for the corrupt, death cult religionists. Quick! Someone steal their magic underwear and ransom it back to them for the LEGOs!

[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 80 points 1 day ago

It’s good to have reminders of what is and isn’t private.

Google accounts aren’t “free”.

[–] nitroemdash@lemmy.wtf 7 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Is this the same Provo that had the ugliest flag ever?

[–] pingveno@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Yes, the vitamin flag. But Pocatello, Idaho had a far uglier flag. Both have very nice replacement flags after receiving negative attention.

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