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On one hand I hate this idea.
On the other hand, the amount of people I see on the road that are starting at their phones, not using hands-free and generally act like they own the road is god damn high. I'm kind of ok with this kind of bullying from technology.
The EU obsession with expanding their surveillance state is insane.
Startling drivers while operating a vehicle on the road. What could possibly go wrong?
I read the other day that laws are being passed by people with chauffeurs for people who drive cars and I cant get that out of my mind.
That exactly is the problem with most laws passed these days. The political caste is so disconnected from normal everyday life of normal people that they aren't even impacted directly by them anymore, so even if they wanted to, they can't make normal laws for normal people.
You can thank the European car industry for this. They've lobbied for this to become law.
Probably, but it's certainly more complicated. Fiat complained about the added cost of such systems. On the low budget end, this adds a noticeable chunk to the price. Bad for sales in the EU, added complications for export. I could imagine the "premium brands" like such regulations that remove some competition.
The yahoo post in OP is a press release by a Swedish tech company that makes such systems. They're not exactly part of the car industry, but they claim to have lobbied for this.
The Italians cannot block something that the Germans and the French want.
Fiat is Stellantis, so technically Dutch-American
Notice how these "Liberals", even after watching America fall to fascism and their own domestic resurgence, are continuing to implement all the tools necessary for big brother style totalitarianism? How they're continuing to implement big brother FOR fascism?
It's almost like they work for the same interests...
Are you using "liberal" in the US sense here or in the correct sense?
In the "illusion of democracy, while a capitalist plutocracy owns our political class" sense, which is the only correct one.
A shame that most people don't seem to grasp something so simple as that.
AI will assess if they are looking at the road and, depending on speed, give a warning if they don't.
And I am totally sure it will not misread someone turning their head to secure a lane change going 220 km/h on the Autobahn and will not spook them with a sudden, unexpected alarm sound making the driver jerk the steering wheel causing a horrible crash.
The rental cars I've used in Europe in the last few years are absolutely relentless with their warnings; it just becomes noise that you ignore.
It thinks you're not watching the road, it thinks the speed limit is 30kph when the signs say 80, it doesn't like that you've crossed into another lane to pass a cyclist, it's warm outside, it's cold outside, the person who just got into the car hasn't finished putting their seatbelt on, the bag on the back seat hasn't put its seatbelt on, your parking spot is within a meter of another car, the tires are 32 PSI instead of 33.
Alarm fatigue sets in really fast.
You talk like the whole Problem doesn't already start with a AI Camera filming you the entire time in your face. Modern Cars already sell a lot of data about you. Much more then you expect a car to know about you. Yea give them my facedata and a Videofeed of me... great idea...
We don't even need to talk about how these signals can spook someone. Such cameras should not be in the car in the first place
The law mandates that data processing must happen locally.
That said, fuck these new systems.
Does it mandate that no other data processing can happen while sending it somewhere else?
To be fair... Currently the law also states that the data processing needs to happen locally and no data may leave the car. The new law certainly introduces potential for abuse, especially since auto makers have proven themselves in recent years to be willing to break laws if it benefits them (Dieselgate anyone?). But as of now your fears are mostly unfounded.
My 2001 car is looking more beautiful than ever
Cars built much later than 2010 are pretty much all piles of junk by design. Unrepairable, unmaintainable, technically owned by the manufacturers rather than their owners.
The 2 downvotes are automakers
Or professional enshittificators.
Can't I just tape the fucking camera? Whats the point of this?
No you can not. If you do, it will trigger an emergency stop after a minute.
And no, I am not kidding. I have tried this on a new car just a few days ago.
No you can not. If you do, it will trigger an emergency stop after a minute.
Bull. Shit. Why are people spreading those lies?
"Upon detection of permanent failure in the ADDW system, a constant visual failure warning signal shall be provided."
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=intcom%3AC%282023%294523
Warning signal. That's it.
Depends on the model I guess. In Renaults the car just complains.
Riding a motorcycle has never felt so free
My experience with driver aids and safety systems is limited to 2023 models but the implementation of everything from skid control to lane centering depends so much on the manufacturerβs implementation. My observation from a limited number of cars is that stability control quality scales with vehicle price, but reviews indicate that the ADAS does not.
Iβve driven two vehicles from the same company with the same features and different shape (ie bumper and windshield height) and one consistently βlostβ view of a flatbed truck, which isnβt confidence inspiring.
Like reversing cameras, the products range from potatovision 480i to 4k UHD.
Weird. Is this a typo? They must've written "mandate" where they meant "prohibit" or something.
Since July 7, all new vehicles must have an "advanced driver distraction warning" (ADDW) system. That means that there will be a (probably IR) camera constantly monitoring the driver. AI will assess if they are looking at the road and, depending on speed, give a warning if they don't.
My cheap Suzuki Swift from last year has this already. It warns me when i look around, being tired and so on.
It is not very accurate i might add...
Another reason not to get a car again!
Recently I accepted a new job, and it will come with a new company car.
If I happen to get a model that was sold after this rule goes into effect, I'm planning to tape off the camera.
Hopefully that should be enough to "fool" the systems in question
Donβt worry, taping the camera will result in the vehicle braking to standstill after a minute. (No jokeβ¦)
I like it! One more reasons for people to ditch cars!
Not entirely true. The EU mandates a "driver drowsiness and attention warning". It doesn't mandate the use of cameras. The word "camera" is not mentioned.
The EU mandates this system to monitor gaze fixation points. Do you know any methods of determining gaze fixation point without using a camera? So sort of sensors attached directly to driver's eyeballs maybe?