The genie is pretty ancient, my head canon is that it's just the genie's personal rules over the millennia
In that case one wonders what would happen if Aladdin just wished for the means to kill Jafar himself.
He wished to be a prince, his royal entourage hypothetically included several people capable of assassinating Jafar on the order, it was just down to Aladdin being a stickler for being an active participant in proceedings that hindered him taking that less direct route.
In they case genie, I wish for a glock!
I read this in Timmy's voice, to the point I had to double-check this wasn't a quote.
That was good, what an angst for a djinn though
Or something that would indirectly kill Jafar, like teleporting him to the moon.
The (admittedly kind of terrible) sequel disagrees with that, because Jafar as a genie can't kill anyone either.
Though he can use his powers to make people's life hell, wish or no wish, and abuses that quite a bit.
You don't even need to watch the sequel to see that, as genies being bound by specific rules is the whole point of tricking him into becoming a genie.
Though after Aladdin wishes for the Genie's freedom, it really opens a can of worms as to what that means. Sure, I guess he's free to roam the earth, and no longer bound to grant wishes. But at the same time, has he now lost that power?
Because Disney ending aside, you would think an unbound genie with his full powers would be something that only ends badly.
Again, if we're only talking about Disney canon, according to the sequel and series (because really that movie was just the pilot for the animated series), the genie is supposed to have lost a lot of his power after being freed. It's not obvious how much of it really.
It's also not obvious how "bound" the genies are to begin with.
Genie is tricked into getting Aladdin out of the cave of wonders without using a wish, and he looks a bit annoyed but not that much (and it worked). He also basically forces a wish on an unconscious Aladdin to save his life, saying he can't do it without a wish.
Whatever magic contract is used there looks quite open to interpretation...
Plot twist: Genie is just impersonating a djinn, but in fact he's an eldritch god 🌚
He's an eldritch shapeshifter, subconsciously transforming into what people believe he should be. Sort of like the Norse gods in Marvel Comics. Until Alladin rubs the lamp, he didn't exist as a conscious being because nobody was there to think him into being.
Different wish granting entities different rules
A Djinn's wishes are meant to serve as a lesson about understanding what you actually want while Shenron's limitations are more about keeping any mortal who can summon him from stepping beyond their bounds, especially since we now have the super dragonballs implying significant limitations on what regular dragonballs are capable of in comparison.
Honestly it'd be interesting to see a comparison of wish granting powers to understand what their limitations imply about their roll in the story.
imply about their roll in the story.
The DragonBalls probably roll infinitely better than the lamp.
The lamp is a classic D2
No wonder those balls end up in the deepest holes
Could get more work done if he requested a Death Note.
Pretty sure he's illiterate, being an orphan in medieval times and whatnot
Aladdin could just wish to be the most powerful sorcerer of the world, turn into a giant snake and fight Jaffar. No way that would backfire
Wishing for Dragon Balls is just wishing for more wishes with extra steps. Wish denied!
I don't get it.
In Dragon Ball Z, collecting all 7 dragon balls allows you to summon an all powerful dragon that will grant you one wish, for anything you desire. Wishing for someone's death or resurrection are not limitations
I don't know that anyone's ever wished to have anyone else croaked with the dragon balls. But people have definitely been resurrected. A lot.
Also, Oolong got a pair of panties with them.
It sure would speed up the plot if they just wished for Frieza to die
The dragon (at least Earth's dragon, Shenron) has been asked for feats that were too great for him to perform, though, and had to refuse the wish stating they were "beyond his power."
We don't know the limits of his power re: ass kicking. But it's probably unlikely that Shenron could delete Frieza. Possibly Porunga (Namek's dragon) could have. Who knows.
He might not be able to delete Frieza while Frieza was on Namek but if Freiza was on earth, he's in Shenrons playhouse.
No he couldn't kill King Piccolo because he cant kill those that are more powerful then his creator. Location doesn't matter. And i think Goku once refused to be wished back to earth because he was training somewhere in space, meaning shenron couldn't overpower him
I'm gonna have to do some rewatching on the king piccolo thing, but I always took that as Shenron just respecting goku's wishes, because they have known each other for a long time.
Good points though, great discussion lol
I think I remember the human chaff (Krilin, Yamcha) asking if Shenron could destroy Vegeta and Nappa's ships while they were still en route to Earth.
I also remember that, after beating up Cell, Krilin wanted 18 to become human, but that was "beyond" what Shenron could do.
DragonBall anime reference.
The balls call a dragon that can grant whatever single wish and then they scatter again as I recall. Used to resurrect the dead a lot.
Much of the original anime revolves around collecting them.
Dragon balls are magical. Got it.
Much like Yu-Gi-Oh! And Cartoon Network Batman, "Can't Kill Anybody" just invites much worse possibilities
They're smiling. How bad can it be if they are smiling?
transport jafar to the center of the sun.
Probably considered "killing", though one may wonder where the limit is.
If someone is alone in a row boat in the middle of the ocean and I wish away their boat, did I wish for their death?
Who gets to decide that? Is there a court of genie law? In that case is it the genie or the master who's being sued?
for insurance purposes it was the sun that killed him.
If only Jafar had trained a bit more. He may have been to strong for the dragon to kill him.
Also, depending on the era. Shen-long will grant 1, 2 or 3 wishes.
And then Jafar would have stood a chance against Ryu.
I stand by what Game Theory said and say Aladdin should have wished for Jasmine to become Sultan.
Only 7 dragon balls, eh?
One of those dragons was unlucky.
Or 3 were unlucky, and the 4th is lucky to have only lost 1 ball.
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