Americans are orcs as you can see from this pic, so thinking of others as humans wouldn't be very equal would it?
Inventing Reality
When the media decides who you are rooting for.
It's interesting that those (fat deformed) demihumans think of other as lesser human beings.
"They dislike US because they are all religious extremists."
Meanwhile the US is currently in the thrall of religious extremists...
It's not like he was the only one, either... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_murders
I came over here because I wanted to kill people. The truth is, it wasn't all I thought it was cracked up to be. I mean, I thought killing somebody would be this life-changing experience. And then I did it, and I was like, "All right, whatever." I shot a guy who wouldn't stop when we were out at a traffic checkpoint and it was like nothing. Over here, killing people is like squashing an ant. I mean, you kill somebody and it's like "All right, let's go get some pizza."[11]
i gotta go read that interview because damn, that's not something you usually see printed.
" I came over here because I wanted to kill people."
Over a mess-tent dinner of turkey cutlets, the bony-faced 21-year-old private from West Texas looked right at me as he talked about killing Iraqis with casual indifference. It was February, and we were at his small patrol base about 20 miles south of Baghdad. "The truth is, it wasn't all I thought it was cracked up to be. I mean, I thought killing somebody would be this life-changing experience. And then I did it, and I was like, 'All right, whatever.' "
He shrugged.
"I shot a guy who wouldn't stop when we were out at a traffic checkpoint and it was like nothing," he went on. "Over here, killing people is like squashing an ant. I mean, you kill somebody and it's like 'All right, let's go get some pizza.' "
At the time, the soldier's matter-of-fact manner struck me chiefly as a rare example of honesty. I was on a nine-month assignment as an embedded reporter in Iraq, spending much of my time with grunts like him -- mostly young (and immature) small-town kids who sign up for a job as killers, lured by some gut-level desire for excitement and adventure. This was not the first group I had run into that was full of young men who shared a dark sense of humor and were clearly desensitized to death. I thought this soldier was just one of the exceptions who wasn't afraid to say what he really thought, a frank and reflective kid, a sort of Holden Caulfield in a war zone.
But the private was Steven D. Green.
The next time I saw him, in a front-page newspaper photograph five months later, he was standing outside a federal courthouse in North Carolina, where he had pled not guilty to charges of premeditated rape and murder. The brutal killing of a 14-year-old Iraqi girl and her family in Mahmudiyah that he was accused of had taken place just three weeks after we talked.
When I met Green, I knew nothing about his background -- his troubled youth and family life, his apparent problems with drugs and alcohol, his petty criminal record. I just saw and heard a blunt-talking kid. Now that I know the charges against Green, his words take on an utterly different context for me. But when I met him then, his comments didn't seem nearly as chilling as they do now.
Maybe, in part, that's because we were talking in Mahmudiyah. If there's one place where a soldier might succumb to what the military calls "combat stress," it's this town where Green's unit was posted on the edge of the so-called Triangle of Death, for the last three years a bloody center of the Sunni-led insurgency. Mahmudiyah is a deadly patch of earth that inspires such fear, foreboding and uneasiness that my most prominent memory of the three weeks I spent there was the unrelenting knot it caused in my stomach.
I was nervous even before I arrived. Although Mahmudiyah is only a 15-minute drive from the heavily fortified Green Zone in Baghdad, I was taken there by helicopter. Military officials didn't want to risk my riding in a truck that might be hit by a roadside bomb. I'd chosen to go to Mahmudiyah because I wanted to be on the front lines of the war and among the troops fighting it.
When I arrived in February, Green's battalion -- the 101st Airborne Division's 502nd Infantry Regiment -- was losing an average of about one soldier per week. Whenever I asked how many of the nearly 1,000 troops posted there had been killed so far, most soldiers would just frown and say they'd lost count.
Danger was everywhere. Inside the American base camps, mortar shells fell almost daily. In the towns where U.S. forces patrolled, car bombs were a constant threat. On the rural roads, the troops kept watch for massive artillery rounds hidden under piles of trash that could shred the engine block of an armored Humvee and separate a driver's limbs from his torso.
About a month before I arrived at Green's base -- an abandoned potato-packing plant lined with 20-foot concrete walls -- the soldiers there fought off a full-blown assault that rallied dozens of insurgents in a show of force almost unheard of for a shadowy enemy that typically avoids face-to-face combat. It took more than an hour to quell the attack of gunfire and rocket-propelled grenades coming from all sides of the camp.
Morale took another nosedive soon after, when the hastily rigged electrical wiring system caught fire and burned down the Americans' living quarters. The soldiers watched as the early-morning blaze destroyed all reminders of home: the family photographs, the iPods and the video games that provide brief escapes from combat. When I got there a week later, a chow-hall storage room, packed with radios and satellite maps, was serving as the base command center. The sergeants were still passing out toothbrushes and clean socks to the young troops who had lost everything.
The company commander in charge of Green's unit told me that the situation was so stressful that he himself had "almost had a nervous breakdown" and had been sent to a hotel-style compound in Baghdad for three days of "freedom rest" before resuming his command.
And yet despite the horrific conditions in which they were daily being tested, I found extraordinary camaraderie among the soldiers in Mahmudiyah. They were among the friendliest troops I met in Iraq.
Green was one of several soldiers I sat down with in the chow hall one night not long after my arrival. We talked over dinner served on cardboard trays. I asked them how it was going out there, and to tell me about some of their most harrowing moments. When they began talking about the December death of Sgt. Kenith Casica, my interview zeroed in on Green.
He described how after an attack on their traffic checkpoint, he and several others pushed one wounded man into the back seat of a Humvee and put Casica, who had a bullet wound in his throat, on the truck's hood. Green flung himself across Casica to keep the dying soldier from falling off as they sped back to the base.
"We were going, like, 55 miles an hour and I was hanging on to him. I was like, 'Sgt. Casica, Sgt. Casica.' He just moved his eyes a little bit," Green related with a breezy candor. "I was just laying on top of him, listening to him breathing, telling him he's okay. I was rubbing his chest. I was looking at the tattoo on his arm. He had his little girl's name tattooed on his arm.
"I was just talking to him. Listening to his heartbeat. It was weird -- I drooled on him a little bit and I was, like, wiping it off. It's weird that I was worried about stupid [expletive] like that.
"Then I heard him stop breathing," Green said. "We got back and everyone was like, 'Oh [expletive], get him off the truck.' But I knew he was dead. You could look in his eyes and there wasn't nothing in his eyes. I knew what was going on there."
He paused and looked away. "He was the nicest man I ever met," he said. "I never saw him yell at anybody. That was the worst time, that was my worst time since I've been in Iraq."
Green had been in country only four months at that point, a volunteer in a war he now saw as pointless.
"I gotta be here for a year and there ain't [expletive] I can do about it," he said. "I just want to go home alive. I don't give a [expletive] about the whole Iraq thing. I don't care.
"See, this war is different from all the ones that our fathers and grandfathers fought. Those wars were for something. This war is for nothing."
A couple of days later, I ran into Green again, and he invited me to join him and another soldier in a visit to the makeshift tearoom run by the Iraqi soldiers who share the base with the American troops. It was after dusk, and the three of us walked across a pitch-black landing zone and into a small plywood-lined room where a couple of dozen barefoot Iraqi soldiers were sitting around watching a local news channel.
"Hey, shlonek," Green said, offering a casual Arabic greeting with a smile and a sweeping wave as he stepped up to the bar. He handed over a U.S. dollar in exchange for three Styrofoam cups of syrupy brown tea.
Green knew a few words of Arabic, and along with bits of broken English, some hand gestures and smiles, he joked around with the Iraqis as he sipped their tea. Most U.S. soldiers didn't hang out on this side of the base with the Iraqis.
I asked Green whether he went there a lot. He did, he said, because he liked to get away from the Americans "who are always telling me what to do."
"These guys are cool," he said, referring to the Iraqis.
"But," he added with a shrug, "I wouldn't really care if all these guys got waxed."
As we talked, Green complained about his frustration with the Army brass that urged young soldiers to exercise caution even in the most terrifying and life-threatening circumstances.
"We're out here getting attacked all the time and we're in trouble when somebody accidentally gets shot?" he said, referring to infantrymen like himself throughout Iraq. "We're pawns for the [expletive] politicians, for people that don't give a [expletive] about us and don't know anything about what it's like to be out here on the line."
The soldiers who fought alongside Green lived in conditions of near-constant violence -- violence committed by them, and against them.
Even in my brief stay there, I repeatedly encountered terrifying attacks. One night, about a mile from Green's base, a roadside bomb exploded alongside the vehicle I was riding in, unleashing a deafening crack and a ball of fire. In most places in Iraq, soldiers would have stopped to investigate. In the Triangle of Death, however, we just plowed on through the cloud of smoke and shower of sparks, fearing an ambush if we stopped. Fortunately, the bomb was relatively small, its detonation poorly timed, and the soldiers all laughed about it moments later. "Dude, that was [expletive] awesome," the driver said after making sure no one was hurt.
A few days later
...A few days later, I was standing outside chatting with an officer about the long-term legacy of the Vietnam War when a rocket came whistling down and struck the base's south wall. A couple of days after that, a mortar round blew up a tent about 20 feet from the visitors' tent that I called home.
My experience, however, was nothing compared with that of Green and the other young men of his Bravo company who spent months in the Triangle of Death.
In the end, I never included Green's comments in any of the handful of stories I wrote from Mahmudiyah for Stars and Stripes. When he said he was inured to death and killing, it seemed to me -- in that place and at that time -- a reasonable thing to say. While in Iraq, I also saw people bleed and die. And there was something unspeakably underwhelming about it. It's not a Hollywood action movie -- there are no rapid edits, no adrenaline-pumping soundtracks, no logical narratives that help make sense of it. Bits of lead fly through the air, put holes in people and their bodily fluids leak out and they die. Those who knew them mourn and move on.
But no level of combat stress is an excuse for the kind of brutal acts Green allegedly committed. I suppose I will always look back on our conversations in Mahmudiyah and wonder: Just what did he mean?
Andrew Tilghman was a correspondent in Iraq for the military newspaper Stars and Stripes. He lives in Houston.
Well, yeah, it's absolutely certain he's just one of many, many thousands (tens, hundreds of thousands). The stuff we know never even scratches the surface of the stuff that really happened. US soldiers must have raped such an unbelievable amount of women, kids and men throughout all the wars and other shit. I'm not saying soldiers from other countries havent but I really think it's on a whole other level with US ones.
They sure did quickly and easily decide to integrate with the IDF
Good representation of the united states
The US, land of monsters
From the very beginning, never stopped being so since and will never be anything but until its demise.
Makes sense that a monster can become president, with that in mind.
Even when it failed to live up to those ideals itself
That guy should run for office
"We have to vote for him, its the only way to get Medicare for all!!!" Some Jacobin lib probably
They're waiting for the confirmation that he has a nazi tattoo before announcing their support
This is the new "Christ, what an asshole!"
Wow, you really are a giant shit stain - you should run for president of the US!
it would make him less of a shitstain that the current one that's pretending to be president.
I can't be the only one who believes these freaks can't be reformed, right?
I think there's some lines you don't cross.removed, murdering, and torturing kids is one of those. You have to be completely devoid of empathy for other humans. Or you do feel that empathy and choose to ignore it.
I still don't believe in the death penalty or state-sponsored torture. Despite the heinous nature of these crimes, it's still life without parole separated from the rest of society.
The reality is these people are victims of alienation, no one is born like this they behave like this due to their training. Rape, murdure, torture is a side effect of being tought to believe other races aren't human. Believing other races aren't human is the only way to justify them to commit such horrible attrocities against them.
With enough therapy I believe even the most seamingly horrible people can come to realise the harm of their actions.
The blame always needs to be put on the rich who are the people that lobby for such horrible, alienating programs.
I feel like that's best left to the experts. I believe in redemption but to get to it they'd have to face what they've done. Most people aren't strong enough after doing things like this.
I can't say I agree
Fair enough
Best left to the experts? That kind of thinking reduces individual analytical thinking to never critisise the status quo.
You're not, they can be reformed but not in any lawful or peaceful way
Somethings you just can't undo and the only way to understand why is to have them go through it themselves, they'll never be the same again
I believe they can. How can someone tought to be so horrible in the first place? Millitary workers are victims too, fighting for a cause they believe in without benifiting from it.
Once they realise there training has been lying to them (and probably years of therapy) they can be taught to realise the harm of their actions.
AES states realise this, just look at china's vocational training centres in xinjiang that are focused on reforming literal terrorists and integrating them into society.
The rapist and serial killer in this story is not a victim. Tell that to the girl he raped and killed, tell that to her dead family.
While I'm sure some people sign up with good intentions, however naive, others simply sign up to rape and kill and maybe we shouldn't want them reintegrated.
Your empathy towards the family is blinding you. The crime committed is irrelevant. Perhaps you are right this person did join with the intention to rape and kill. But it's still worth realising that for a person to believe rape is acceptable requires a severe level of alienation. They likely grew up in a low income area, witnessed extreme levels of domestic violence and was probably a victim of domestic violence too, resulting in a conservative view on gender. They made friends with other like minded kids, further consolidating their orientation, its very easy to continue falling down the rabbit hole once it starts. People are never born monsters.
This is just a question for you now: At what point does a child go from being a victim/witness of domestic violence to an unreformable perpetrator that should be sent to prison for life or penalised by death?
This kind of thing results in me considering if people are always a victim of their own conditions how can anyone be blamed for anything? A question I'm not really mature enough to answer.
Interesting how "likely" is doing all the work in the first half of your comment thereby underscoring just how fragile your claims ultinately are, but I get it.
I get the Marxist tendency to judge behavior by its conditions and circumstances.
It's however a completely separate thing to make up a person's life story to make it fit with the Marxist theory of alienation. That's working backwards from a conclusion and not very Marxist, much less psychoanalysis.
As for your question, I don't share its underlying assumption. Yes, people are products of their environment, but that in of itself doesn't equal victimhood, let alone in cases of rape and murder. Marxism, after all, accounts for agency just fine.
I wasn't really talking about Marxism, I was just talking about my own opinion I haven't really read any theory yet. I'm not sure what I think about agency, physics literally denies it.
And of course I don't know the backstory of this person but I'm sure we can both agree that he almost certainly did not have a normal life. Yes I'm still hedging with "almost" but whatever.
I could've sworn you're at least somewhat familiar with Marxism the way you talk about alienation as well as your defense of China, but that's okay, and yes, I agree that the rapist almost certainly did not have a normal life, but there's also a possibility he grew up in a perfectly loving environment and still ended up raping and killing, because sometimes no amount of nurture can change one's nature.
Is he actually in jail too often these people get no punishment even when openly admitting this or get like either like a year or getting punished but being quietly pardoned soon after.
Per wikipedia: Green was tried and convicted in a United States civilian court and sentenced to life in prison.[3] He committed suicide in early 2014.
Graham? Is that you?
So you're a zoophile?
I'm reminded of a line in 'the word for world is forest' by Ursula Le Guin, where the (commander? General?) says the native race to the planet they've occupied are basically just beasts, animals, and one of the diplomats brings up that their troops SV members of those race, and so what did they think they were doing; engaging in zoophilia?
We saw the same thing with US slavery. It's a cognitive dissidence, undeniably--one that let's the offender have their sex and dehumanize humans.
Ah yes, the freedom of committing atrocities and equality in suffering.
What a terrible, awful animal. He's not a human being. Hope he gets raped and tortured in jail.
He is a human, don't try to pin this shit on other species
He’s not a human being.
He is. Human beings are capable of doing these things. Don't try to absolve our species.
We are paying for Israel to do this to the Palestinians and allowing them to murder journalists do their stories will never be told
"Our terrible jail system at home will fix our shitty problems." USA USA USA
Humans are the best at being inhumane
This post's essentially unlikeable but i'm posting this to draw the attention of whatever algorithms operate in this ether
This algorithm of "unlikeability"
