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[–] tal@lemmy.today 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Recent leaks suggest that Sony will either have to sell its upcoming PlayStation 6 console at a minimum of $960 or push the launch date back into 2028 or even beyond that.

I seriously think that they should push it back to 2028.

I think that Valve's making a mistake by not pushing back the Steam Machine to 2028 too, though at least for Valve, a hardware platform flopping isn't a big deal, since they don't rely on it alone to make sales.

Or maybe I'll be wrong, and gamers will be significantly less price sensitive than they have been in the past. But my guess is that they aren't gonna be jumping on consoles with a pricetag that's that high. As I said before, the only console to be successful in the past that cost nearly that much in inflation-adjusted terms was the Atari 2600.

[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The ‘AI’ angle is purely cover for the manufacturers actively choosing to now behave like the pharmaceutical industry. They’ve identified a window to pull this shit, and coordinated this opportunistic collusion.

The only meaningful response is to create a diverse production base to remove the choke point the current incumbents are leveraging, but that would require a concerted, collaborative effort by parties who can’t see and/or don’t understand the problem.

[–] HereIAm@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

To play devil's advocate; it might be that the RAM producers see AI as a bubble, and it would be incredibly risky to expand their production now, when it won't come into effect until a handful of years from now.

RAM and SSD manufacturers have already seen many many dips and rises in price over decades.

However, that all of them are deciding not to expand and potentially rake in the cash is more than a little sus.

I'm not sure how to feel about it personally. I hope the true cost of maintaining these AI models gets passed down to customers soon so that it either crashes and burn, or at the very least stabilises the market.

[–] IamLost@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Thought I could wait to build a new PC, but at this point, it'll be another 5-10 years before things start getting better. After the price of the steam machine, I ordered parts to build my own. Such a bad time to build, but it's just gonna get worse the longer I wait.

[–] criscodisco@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If they get better. By the time the AI sector collapses under the weight of its own bullshit, things will have already gotten significantly worse. You’ll be less worried about RAM prices and more worried about bread prices.

Don't worry you might get $25 in a class action for bread price fixing. I think there should be a class action against the manufactures of Ram and hard drives. Most companies scale up when they have more demand, these fucks ain't, theyre pulling a classic OPEC

[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I could crash the prices by tomorrow if I wanted to. All I'd have to do is buy some ram today.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago

This is /r/wallstreetbets logic. I approve.

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[–] thejml@sh.itjust.works 65 points 2 days ago

The RAM I bought in 2019 for $100 is now over $500. at this rate I'll sell it in a few years to put my daughter through college.

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Things are probably going to get worse in the short term, but the AI bubble is going to burst. Magnitude? We'll see, but when investors realize that these companies cannot make a profit, and open source frontier models that allow you to run AI in house are removing vendor lock in, things are going to change. Also, LLMs are a dead end, and have little room to improve.

Newer paradigms are appearing, such as Yann LeCun's JASP, which actually learns, and other approaches, which will make LLMs obsolete, and are way less hardware intensive.

Another factor is the Chinese closing in in consumer grade RAM. If it can be proven that no backdoor or other shenanigans are there, they will balance things somewhat.

While current reality is what it is, there may be a massive social and traditional media manipulation by the big three and other interested parties to fuel fear of rising prices forever, to push people to buy as much as they can at these prices. I have no proof of this, but I don't think it's far fetched.

And let's not forget that for media outlets, fear and tragedy sells. (I think Hearst or some other news mogul said that last century.)

[–] Prathas@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Yann LeCun's JASP

Wait, this is my first time reading about this. Got an ELI5 or TL;DR?

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I've come to terms with the fact I'm not going to be buying any new computer-type devices until the bubble pops.

I'm just terrified what happens if one of my existing devices breaks. If a RAM stick goes bad, I might have to mortgage my non-existent house.

[–] Chaf@slrpnk.net 16 points 1 day ago

In case you are being serious, there are ways around faulty RAM sticks, usually just a few cells/rows are affected. In case anyone needs to know this, here is a pretty good summary on stackoverflow on how to deal with this on linux. In general, look for "memmap".

Keep your hardware running as long as possible! Iirc newer RAM is unfortunately somewhat more susceptible to failing. My DDR3 is still working fine.

[–] Arancello@aussie.zone 39 points 2 days ago (2 children)

it will be ironic when consumers cant afford the end user devices needed to interact with the AI servers. House of cards??

[–] GalacticSushi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 99 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Let me put on my tinfoil hat really quick.

They want to kill personal computing. You don't need a full blown computer, you need a fire stick style device that plugs into your monitor and allows you to remotely access the virtual machine you rent from Microsoft on a monthly basis.

[–] chrash0@lemmy.world 38 points 2 days ago (1 children)

this has been “the plan” since 2005. when i was in high school trying to figure out what the heck “cloud computing” was, this is what they were talking about: anything requiring more compute than secure authentication and pixel drawing would be rendered in the cloud and delivered to dumb terminals. this is what netbooks, Chromebooks, and smartphones have been a step towards if not an implementation of.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Looking back at computing history, cloud computing is basically reverting back to the original mainframes and dedicated terminals.

There was a hype of using thin clients, the concept is that you get just enough hardware and software to be able to connect to a session running on a shared server, the admin can allocate more resources like CPU cores, RAM and storage as individual needs change over time.

As an IT guy, I do like the concept in a corporate environment, especially when looking at the SunRay system from Sun, which used smartcards for easier access, you put your card into the client and if configured properly, you got your old session loaded and ready in a few sec, regardless of which client you put your card into.

The YT channel Clabretro has several interesting SunRay videos.

[–] nullify3112@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago

Product idea: personal mainframe.

Imagine a desktop small enough to fit in a backpack. It has a battery, a cell connection with data, decent GPU ram etc. Your phone is now just a display and a battery. Your laptop is the same but a bit bigger and with a keyboard.

Each electronic device you own is now just a terminal used to access your mainframe. You can take your mainframe with you or leave it at home. It’s yours. You don’t rent compute from someone else.

Would be amazing to have truly thin and very portable devices.

[–] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yup, there's a cycle between centralization and edge. Started with centralization, mainframes, went edge with the first PCs (and game consoles) and ever since corpos have been trying to pull it back to the center in waves. Thin client, cloud compute, arguably phones (as apps processing in the cloud), Geforce Now, AI. So far it's always gone back to the edge for most of the population, except for niche cases (or not in the case of phones). As internet gets faster and more reliable the chance of it sticking longer in the central zone increases (IMO).

[–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As internet gets faster and more reliable the chance of it sticking longer in the central zone increases

It also allow the opposite, the fediverse is a living example of it, the more internet is faster the more we can organize better to decentralize, it's harder that someone get in contact with the decentralized internet but it's more probable that it happen now than 7 years ago

Some companies also would still continue to sell consumer hardware (like Framework, probably)

Thought, i see it as a fight, companies are currently winning sadly

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[–] Rothe@piefed.social 15 points 1 day ago

There is no tinfoil about it. Jensen Huang and the other tech oligarchs have openly stated that is their goal.

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

This is 100% the plan. Also, I would not be suprised if in 5-10 years there are legal limitations on what kind of computing capacity a private person can purchase due to “national security” reasons.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

Dumb terminals don't need much RAM. Unfortunately, the minimal RAM would come with maximum rentiership and exploitation.

[–] moonlight@fedia.io 33 points 2 days ago (2 children)

At this rate I'll be able to sell my ddr3 from over a decade ago and make a profit compared to what I paid originally

[–] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

Suggested my wife to get mini pc with 32gb of ddr5 ram. If she would sell half of it today, she'd be reclaiming 60% of what she paid for that minipc.

Originally I suggested her to get 64gb one so I could swap mine 32 with hers. She ultimately decided to not to. Could've been like 80% if she'd sell 32gb today. Crazy...

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's a good thing I saved the 24GB of DDR3-1600 from my old laptop. I might actually be able to get some money for it.

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[–] tixooo@lemmy.zip 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Time to hit the books, explore the mountains, build a chicken shed, grow something in the garden, buy a plot of land and grow something... Build a house myself idk things like that.

[–] louloukoutsis@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Yep, definitely not buying any new computers any time soon. If anything breaks I’ll try to live with it as much as I can.

Fuck this pricing.

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[–] kinkles@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I see this as an opportunity to get invested in non-tech hobbies because there’s nothing else I can do

[–] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 10 points 2 days ago

Yup, was going DDR5 this year, got a new bike (Marin Larkspur) instead, such a good decision, renewed my love of cycling, having a ball.

[–] tixooo@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago

Books my man, books.

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[–] motruck@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

It'll be ok. Just stop buying shit. They haven't needed new computers for years now they just act like they do. See windows 11 required hardware roll out. You think that is a new tactic? That is just them being overt about a practice that has existed forever.

[–] sinematic@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago

Type shit that happens to me when I earn my own money

[–] DudeImMacGyver@kbin.earth 13 points 2 days ago

These price gouging assholes should probably be prosecuted along with the "AI" fraudsters.

[–] HackThePlanet@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago
[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How long does it take a company already established in the sector to build a RAM factory?

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Around 4 years. The creation of any microchip requires extremely stable geology, pristine rooms, high levels of training, Scrooge McDuck moneybins, and so on. It isn't an industry that can turn on a dime.

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

4 years after they break ground. God knows how long to decide the location, bribe the authorities to get tax breaks...

[–] felsiq@piefed.zip 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No reference to CXMT’s memory that’s just starting to be sold in western markets now, I’m very curious if/how that’ll affect things. If corsair’s cxmt kit can hold pricing steady, let alone drop it, for a 2x16 6000MHz CL36 kit then it could be huge

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