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I used Mullvad for a long time, but hearing about one of the two CEOs actively supporting and financing swedish Nazis, I'm looking to put my money elsewhere. That's the second one after Private Internet Access (who supported Gab).

I had AirVPN and Surfshark being recomnended, how do people here feel? What do you use?

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[–] lime@feddit.nu 42 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (17 children)

there was an article today about the entire mullvad company being blindsided by this and a lot of people being upset. with any luck the guy will leave or get thrown out.

also i think they're technically nazbols.

[–] akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone 7 points 4 weeks ago (6 children)

This is the only reason for why I haven't demanded a refund of my remaining balance yet. I'm holding out for a dismissal or something.

[–] anothermember@feddit.uk 11 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Demanding a refund could add to the pressure though, you could always renew after he (hopefully) goes. I can't get a refund since mine has just run out but I'm not making any long-term decisions until the dust has settled.

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[–] rainwall@piefed.social 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

This is likely true, but in the hacker news thread about this, the non Nazi cofounder was pretty defensive about what a great guy he was, and that there was just no way that him being a Nazi could ever effect Mullvad itself:

Here's one example, but these linked thread has more excuses hes made:

kfreds 1 day ago | root | parent | next [–]

I'm sorry to hear that. For what it's worth I think there's nuance in his decision that most people don't see. Of course that doesn't mean I think it was the right decision to make.

Here's something worth considering: why would someone whose ideal is open borders, who has been an animal rights activist, and someone who has led Mullvad for 17 years (with the track record it has), choose to donate to this party? If you like what Daniel and I have done together over the past 17 years, and now vehemently oppose his choice to make this donation, doesn't that make you just a little bit curious?

It made me curious. It didn't change my ultimate stance, but it did temper my emotions about it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=kfreds

That level of denial feels custom made for them to give him a pass and keep him onboard.

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[–] fizzle@quokk.au 6 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 28 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

Cofounder, and 50% owner. For him to get kicked out would take a lot.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 7 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

he could be a rational human about it and see that it's bad for the brand. considering he was willing to work with a guy that actively dislikes what he did he may have a few braincells left.

[–] fizzle@quokk.au 8 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

That kinda seems unlikely to me. I'm certain that he's aware that supporting ethnic cleansing (albeit not overtly violent) is not compatible with having customers.

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[–] lime@feddit.nu 8 points 4 weeks ago

co-. the other founder is pretty pissed.

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[–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 29 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (12 children)

List of vpns not to use

NordVPN

Facebook Onavo

ExpressVPN

Private Internet Access

Everything Kape Technologies

HolaVPN

PureVPN

ZenMate

CyberGhost

[–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 4 weeks ago

Imagine someone unironically using Facebook's VPN service.

[–] brickfrog@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

You included AirVPN in that list even though they aren't mentioned in either of your screenshots.. maybe a typo? I've never heard of them being associated with Kape so am curious why you lumped them into all that.

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[–] beep@piefed.world 7 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't want to be mean to you, as it might be just ignorance.

But my dude, why did you decide to use Inaccessible photo instead of using text or at the very least Text +photo?

If I suffer from any condition that affect my vision or my reading /understanding... how am I supposed to read this?

[–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 12 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

sorry, added the list in plaintext

[–] beep@piefed.world 6 points 4 weeks ago

Thank you a lot🌹.

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[–] LogicOverFeelings@piefed.ca 13 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Sharing this because I think it's funny, but someone opened an issue on Mullvad's github about the questionable donations of one of the cofounders: https://github.com/mullvad/mullvadvpn-app/issues/10685

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[–] Console_Modder@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] puppinstuff@lemmy.ca 11 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

It’s like picking an airline. No matter who you choose somebody has a story of how they’re varying degrees of awful.

I’m on Proton. I disliked when that one guy made that social post comment about how Republicans are easier to deal with. I’m not offended enough to roll the dice with another provider only to later discover they’re literal nazis, their founder has Epstein connections or they discriminate against trans people.

(Which is to say, if you want to switch from Mullvad I get it.)

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[–] UntouchedWagons@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

I've been using airvpn for almost 10 years now, no complaints.

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[–] rmrf@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 weeks ago (6 children)

It's Mullvad. This whole thing, in my eyes, overreaction to one asshole being an asshole, and not anywhere near as bad as so many other assholes.

That's my opinion, you're 100% valid in voting with your wallet and I respect everyone that draws the line here.

For me, though, Mullvad is the only one worth their salt if you actually want the best of the best for privacy, and there's no ethical consumption under capitalism so this feels like an exercise in futility.

[–] lukalix98@programming.dev 10 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Have we really reached a point in which we have to stick with the "least bad" option? I don't like this.

[–] Azzu@leminal.space 11 points 3 weeks ago

No, we haven't. There are several good alternatives.

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[–] CerineArkweaver@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

I use Proton but I'm also in their ecosystem (ie, I also pay for ProtonMail and get the rest of their suite alongside it)

[–] Doug@piefed.social 8 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

Wasn’t Proton’s CEO in some hot water a year or so ago, or was that a bunch of hooey? I know it’s impossible to find an ethical CEO, but just curious.

…sure I could look it up, but my phone battery sucks and it helps boost activity.

[–] ryokimball@infosec.pub 8 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

They made a very naive comment suggesting a authoritarian regime supports privacy

[–] deliriousdreams@fedia.io 11 points 4 weeks ago

And doubled down then changed their comments as if the way back machine doesn't exist in order to backtrack without having to admit they were wrong.

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[–] Ilandar@lemmy.today 5 points 4 weeks ago (8 children)

He made a couple of supportive tweets about a Trump anti-trust appointment (who was later fired by Trump) and the Republican Party that offended some people, mainly the American left. People seem to forget that he is not American, nor is Proton an American company, so none of this actually means anything. He cannot vote, he and his company do not fund the American right in any way and he is not someone with a huge online presence, so it's unlikely he has much influence.

More recently a far right influencer in France signed up for Proton's affiliate program and promoted Proton on his channel, which led to some misleading claims about Proton "funding Nazis". Proton immediately removed him from the affiliate program upon being notified of this and apologised for what it claims was an oversight.

Personally I'm very sick of the purity tests and cancel culture on the left and wish people would slow down a bit and really consider whether these "controversies" are actually worth burning it all down for. Proton provides mainstream, easy to use alternatives to big tech and is better existing than not. Its VPN is also one of the few that retains port forwarding, which can be useful for piracy. After the attempts to cancel Proton, the left hard shilled for Mullvad and now it turns out that's objectively worse in terms of its political influencing. Mullvad is another company that does more good in the world than bad, are we going to cancel it too?

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[–] Ice@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 weeks ago (6 children)

Being in the proton ecosystem I use their VPN, and it's been working great thus far.

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[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think people say that AirVPN is pretty goated

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[–] someonesmall@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
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[–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 7 points 4 weeks ago

PIA is owned by Kape, which appointed someone from Project Raven as a CIO

[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 7 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (3 children)

I’ve been a Mullvad user for probably about a year but I’m considering Nym.

Editing for further context: their board includes Chelsea Manning which bodes well, I like that they use decentralized nodes, and that all of their code is open for review. The $NYM stuff is a little weird, but to me it comes off like an attempt to decentralize currency, which can anonymize in its own way (with an asterisk). Just not sure what that landscape looks like, since a person’s identity can often be figured out by looking at the public ledger. I’m still learning about Nym though.

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[–] katinahat@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

I’ve been using Windscribe for 10 years and have been nothing but impressed. Always surprised they don’t get mentioned more in these posts.

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