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I mean thats the main criticism you always hear but frankly our economic model isnt whats stopping anarchism, its awareness
If a "market socialist" economy under democratic confederalism is what it takes to get people on board then this so-called lifestylist is here for it. We just need people organizing horizontally one way or another. Ill make it up to Stirner's ghost later.
This.
Also, side point, but what is the relation between Stirner and market anarchism ? Im still figuring out Stirner stances beyond the "pure egoism" i was briefly teached.
Also, side point, but what is the relation between Stirner and market anarchism ?
My understanding is based on the context the sentence beforehand:
We just need people organizing horizontally one way or another. Ill make it up to Stirner’s ghost later.
I think Stirner could be swapped with any anarchist that had strong opinions. OP says they would be fine with any horizontally organized society, which would get pretty heavy critism from all the anarchists with strong opinions.
And from the top of my head, only relation between markets and Stirner would probably be that Stirners egoism would probably not operate the well in that framework. But I only think so because there is a meme where he just steals a cow instead of using any kind of voluntary exchange mechanism to get the cow:
Stirner didn't talk much about economics tbh, he was more interested in individualistic theory. There are egoists who prefer pretty much every form of non-capitalist economy afaik.
Agreed. A large reason I express Georgist policies publicly is not because I think it's the correct solution, but because I think it's the most likable to Americans who are so convinced "socialism bad." Often when I express anarchist ideas I find myself getting shot down with "oh, that's communism." We are moving toward a goal, but that goal cannot be realized in one fell swoop, rather we need to take small steps toward it.
Anarchist FAQ on this in answering the question I.1.3 What is wrong with markets anyway?
Be aware, that the anarchist FAQ seems to me pretty biased towards anarcho-communism (which is anti market). But tbh, so are probably most living anarchists.
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Capitalism as we know it cannot be created without the state, so I dont think it will recreate capitalism. Still, I dont like the thought of markets being the tool to decide how ressources should be distributed.
I personally think it runs the risk of recreating capitalism.
What makes you think so?
I worry that a group of people could end up monopolizing important resources that are needed for society to function.
Market implies voluntary exchange. If you horde a vital resource to create an artificial (or atleast more than necessary) scarcity it is hardly voluntary anymore, and in absence of state enforcement it would be very hard to defend such an unjust monopoly.
Markets != consent. I don't think we need or want a market to mediate what resources are needed where, this is entirely what the direct consensus of anarchism is for. I think that the idea of a market-mediated anarchism is a misplaced lingering learned kneejerk for a "higher power" of some sort, any sort, to dictate to us what the rules are. And it's an illusion, there is no substitute for face-to-face consent.
Like what happens in a market anarchism the first time that the market "tells" an individual that they cannot have what they want or need? That smacks of systemic failure, to me.
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