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[–] TiredTiger@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I'm really curious as to whether this will impact the build out of the surveillance state, particularly in regards to Flock and other ALPRs. Or is a phone's location history somehow sacrosanct while an image on a camera is not?

[–] FineCoatMummy@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

IDK if it will directly impact Flocks - although I don't know it won't. But at the very least, it helps build momentum. There is a national level, bipartisan bill to heavily restrict ALPR now. The more legal momentum there is vs related issues like geofence requests, the easier it is for that to pass. Also a lot of municipalities have already banned ALPRs locally, so that also helps build momentum.

I fucking hate ALPRs.

[–] Batmorous@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

More of us doing the stronger we all are!! The more of us there are the stronger we are!! Unity, coordination, and logistics!!

[–] DevoidWisdom@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 weeks ago

Some flock were installed recently on my preferred route to work, so I changed my route a street over. Ive read one too many stories of people wrongly arrested just because they were shown to be in the area. I hope this somehow limits all this surveillance of normal everyday people, but I won't hold my breath.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Calling Flock “ALPR” is dangerously misleading. They track faces, phones, wireless headphones, smartwatches, clothing/outfits, distinctive scrapes and dents on cars, and more.

[–] TiredTiger@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

It's how it's marketed to the public, though I do not disagree.

[–] heavy@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Shouldn't this also apply to cameras and audio recording devices going up everywhere without consent?

[–] FineCoatMummy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago

Shouldn’t this also apply to cameras and audio recording devices going up everywhere

It only applies to the government, by requiring 4A protections for geofence requests. A judicial warrant will be needed for the cops to go to Google or w/e and say, "Give us everyone in this area on Tuesday Aug 9th". Which ofc will include innocent ppl along with the accused. It won't directly efffect private recording and data collection.

There are tricky issues around private collection. Conflicting rights between parties, even. Anyway, it's possible that this + other cases like Carpenter v. United States could restrict gov purchases of loc data on the open market, not just direct requests to Google. NAL, and IDK how it might go. I imagine we might see further lawsuits as this bubbles through the legal system and there are 2ndary issues that arise from it.

[–] autonomous@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

naw without that they would need location tracking to not be protected. but as long as alternative ways to track location exists then sure, let them believe they aren't being tracked. its good publicity.

[–] unitedwithme@lemmy.today 8 points 2 weeks ago

What about States with 2-party consent laws? I've often wondered if its ever going to become a class action suite for all the audio monitoring, and not just the audible trigger words for home assistants. I'm talking anytime you have a conversation about something you see ads. I'm really sick of me and my wife's or kids' arguments becoming divisive ads that pop up moments later which only adds fuel to the fire

[–] vinylll04@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe protect from the raw public. But from private brokers, heavily doubt it.

[–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I'm wondering if FBI/NSA/CIA will actually honor the ruling, assuming it holds?

[–] TiredTiger@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Doubtful. All they have to do is cry "terrorism" and they're allowed to do whatever they want.

[–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yup.

Edit: or "espionage."

[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

please avoid from using the word honor while mentioning the great satan. the last 20 attempts at diplomacy with iran tell you they're lying bastards and their word is worth a thousand shits.

[–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

Acknowledge

[–] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 weeks ago

A small breath of fresh air

[–] StellarExtract@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 weeks ago

Awesome, nice to hear some rare good news in this area

[–] Batmorous@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Hey but all of you here dont disengage stay focused, grow the movement, and keep doing. The more of us doing the more we can make better for this, and many other things. We need a Fluxer Discord-like community to inform, discuss, collaborate and coordinate in real-time

[–] threeganzi@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This sounds like a great step in the right direction. Would this have any effect retrospectively?

[–] FineCoatMummy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago

Disclaimer -> NAL. I think it's extraordinarily rare for rulings to have retroactive effect. If sth was legal when you did it, you can't be held to account if that thing becomes illegal later on. That would open up all kinds of bad probs. It was OK at the time.

But geo-fence data already collected would fall under this decision in the future. So let's say there's 2024 data. Data still exists on some Google server. Now it's 2028. Cops would need a warrant to obtain the 2024 data in 2028.

That's my understanding. Again NAL.