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[–] Anonymous_Leaker@lemmy.world 12 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Everything is market manipulation, it is insanity.

[–] nforminvasion@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

That's capitalism. The greatest irony is that free market has been associated with capitalism. I'm personally not a huge free market fan anyways, as I think it carries it's own problems, but I find it funny that libs and cons think of free market as a capitalist society.

We have had 500 years of capitalism now and despite every single "please bro, just one more free market expefiment bro, it'll work this time", it always consolidates, cheats, corrupts and blackmails. Capitalism innately favors monopolies and manipulation over honest competition and equal ground for ideas.

In my, admittedly imperfect, view I feel like if some society really wanted an actual free market it would a socialist one. Where everyone is actually on equal footing, people have their basic needs met so they aren't focused on surviving, and people aren't born with more than others. From there, ideas and items could actually compete. If this hypothetical society kept money and markets, as described so far, and people's needs were met, then luxuries and unnecessary but enjoyable products could be sold in this situation.

[–] Zarobi@aussie.zone 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The current system is kind of just the default system that nobody really planned out or thought about carefully. Unemployment, suffering, homelessness, inequality, billionaires, etc, are all baked into how it works. But it kind of mostly sorta works good enough that nobody is motivated enough to do anything about it, plus it directly benefits anyone who could do anything about it.

It's rapidly reaching it's limit, though, especially with A.I. and most people's jobs being bullshit. I'm curious what the replacement will be, and I'm hoping the transition isn't too... painful.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Except it's not, it's intentionally maintained around a set of rules. Those rules resulted in it growing into this shape

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 2 points 7 hours ago

It's all a scam? :O

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 14 hours ago

Yet another reason that these platforms are just a circlejerk of insider trading that no rational actor should take part in.

[–] radiofreebc@lemmy.world 67 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Sounds like fraud to me. Good thing the US doesn't have laws anymore.

[–] winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 11 hours ago

There are definitely laws. They just don't apply to rich people

Wow yeah that actually sounds quite illegal

[–] artyom@piefed.social 9 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

studies showing that most bettors lose money.

How do "most betters lose money"? The way I understand it there's a winner for every loser, no?

[–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 12 points 11 hours ago

Bets aren't 1-1.

You can have one person with insider information win a seemingly impossible bet against 1000 people taking the other side.

The person who wins takes in a ton of money, and Polymarket takes a cut.

Each of those 1000 people all thought they had an easy win, but the only people winning these bets are people who either are the people making the decisions, or who are in the room with the people making those decisions.

[–] quandang@lemmy.world 16 points 15 hours ago

That means the wins are concentrated to a few while the losses are spread out

[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 11 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

No, take a lottery for instance: many people play, almost no one wins. You can bet on "anything" on Polymarket, like when or where an event is going to take place, so most of the time you're betting against the market. There's probably plenty of bets where no one wins at all. Everyone betting could spontaneously agree that Punxsutawney Phil is going to see his shadow (unlikely I know, but if only 5 people are betting, it's not that crazy), if he doesn't, no one wins. Except the site.

[–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Its not a lottery though...

[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

When you're betting on random bullshit and it's possible for no one to win, the difference between that and a lottery is negligible.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Anyone who believes it's not gambling.... I have a bridge to sell you.

[–] artyom@piefed.social -1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

No one said it's not gambling, I said it's not a lottery.

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

He never said it was in the first place

[–] artyom@piefed.social -1 points 8 hours ago

Who never said what?

[–] Throbbing_banjo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 14 hours ago

That winner is the house. Most players lose.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 3 points 15 hours ago

This is just a classic move for gambling platforms.