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I have M5 Macbook Pro as work laptop. Its great but I would still like to try out Intel panther lake laptop with Linux on it. If it's as efficient as advertised then its bettee imo

Buy whichever suits your needs more.

I have both systems. Linux on desktop, MacOS on my M3 Macbook Pro. I went with the latter because mainly because of battery life and colour accuracy (for graphical work).

That said, with all the surveillance bullshit coming to the UK, I will probably start dual booting Asahi if it's released for the M3. MacOS will just be for photo/video editing. A shame, because I'll be giving up the battery life.

You can use nixpkgs and brew on macOS.

I have both kernel (GNU/Linux and XNU/darwin(macOS)) and even if there is tons of stuff I don't like with macOS and their non-repairable hardware I have to admit that battery life, trackpad feeling, monitor, speaker and build quality are very hard to beat.

But unfortunately due to the undocumented arm architecture of Apple Silicon you will have hard time running GNU/Linux on M macs.

My MacBook is my last non-linux based machine as of today and I have difficulties switching it even if I want it very bad, some of my software don't run well on Linux even through Wine/CrossOver and the battery life and idle power are the main reason why I am still using a lockdown OS on one of my laptop.

Prisoner says his walled garden is perfect.

mac is something different to me. İt is perfect.

That's a carefully crafted illusion. And if you're a power user, it won't last long.

İ could have buy tuxedo infinit book 14 pro but they dont ship to my country. What should i do?

Buy any other laptop, e.g. Lenovo.

i'd get an m1/m2 macbook pro second hand that can run asahi linux. even for macOS, the latest version atm (26 Tahoe) is an absolute dumpster fire so i'll get something that can run monterey.

macos is not that bad, you still have to fight the OS to disable intrusive features but not as bad as windows. and macports is good

How often do you work for 12-14 hours straight without any access to electricity?

If Linux is actually of any interest for you, giving up on it because of a few hours of battery life, feels weird for me. Why not invest in a power bank or make it work some other way.

With that said. You're obviously free to use whatever you want to. I personally can't stand Apple and their incredibly barebones, limited and locked down operating system.

Also, do you need that long battery life? If yes, ARM or really new intel processors with energy saving cores seem to be the way to go.

Check how much of the hardware Asahi linux supports. But I would avoid buying Apple hardware for this. It is not repairable and they might refuse to help if you run Linux or something. Luke Rossman can tell you about how shit apples customer support is.

What advice do you expect from a Linux discussion group? I suggest you do what you feel is right for a subjective decision like this, all hearing other people's opinions will do is confirm your feelings.

You're looking for permission not for recommendation. Get your Macbook.

Well, my friend, I understand what you're saying. I used to be a Windows user until I discovered Linux around 2015, and I bounced around a bunch before settling on Fedora for almost 5 years. And if you asked me to switch to anything, I'd say fuck that!

I used to believe Linux was the best, but then I watched ChrisTechTips. He really opened my eyes to how an operating system is. Whether it's Windows, Linux, or Mac is actually just a tool, and you can actually use them all. He himself uses Windows to game on Linux for his personal life and Mac for video editing, and you know what? I can't say no to that. If you have the money, go for whatever works for you.

for example, what works for me is simple: A console for gaming... I'm not a big gamer who needs a Windows gaming monster. A Linux desktop for my deep research and personal home lab. A Mac for traveling and doing some light editing, writing, and maybe watching movies and TV shows on it.

Someone might say, "Well, I cannot afford all of these," and I agree. But these things came gradually; like I didn't buy everything at once. It's just that eventually I got them all, and I think you should focus on what's a priority for you now and what can help you get things done. And if you think a Mac can do that because of the battery life, you can do what you please.

The good thing is Linux is a good privacy-focused system. Macs can be as good if you know how to harden them.

well I could give you a solution, generally with x86_64 architecture they use a lot more wattage than macbooks, m-chip SOC's (system-on-chip) utilize about 30W of energy whereas just a modern x86_64 CPU utilize 15W. which means you have a 15W overhead for your GPU and memory generally speaking.

So the entire reason your getting less battery life is OS required applications for it to function, and you. So if you minimize the amount of wattage (ideally building a linux system from scratch) you can optimize it to consume less resources.

I did this with my personal laptop, installed arch and mangoWM, didn't even bother with a display manager or network manager (still use iwctl). on idle it uses about 600 MB, and I've beaten the m1. my point is not to compare or benchmark the macbook, but to just show you that you can maximize battery life with a little tinkering. So long as you are comfortable doing it.

I have used pop_os and cosmic DE it should be noted that is a beta version of pop_is, which means there are plenty of bugs, which means there are still a lot of optimizations. the fact you could get 12 hour battery is kinda surprising especially with a nvidia GPU.

Running Linux on a Macbook is also an option (what I currently do), and it would probably have better battery life than an rtx4060 laptop and you get the nice touchpad/screen/aesthetics. Alternatively, you can consider getting a different less power hungry laptop, and in both cases you can use a charging bank if you have to.

I used a Macbook Pro (M1) for work and I loved it. But a few years in, liquid glass ruined everything making it laggy and incredibly frustrating to use. I had already installed Asahi and I switched to that full time, accepting some battery loss but keeping the excellent hardware still.

So, my point is that you might be able to have the best if both worlds. Look at the Asahi documentation and see if a supported (or even planned) device works for you, and use MacOS until you want to switch to Asahi. I would recommendation installing Asahi ASAP though in case Apple breaks it like they did with OS 27.

Just a suggestion based on my experience, do what seems best for you!

just use what works for you? 14h battery life is gonna happen when we have proper arm laptops with good linux support, in the meantime you have to compromise. I think there are some arm laptops that are usable on linux, but it's gonna be a science project not a stable workhorse machine

Story time: My first Mac was the first generation of Mac Mini that had an Intel processor. It could play WoW and was so much more convenient than the Linux distros of the day, and so much more stable than Windows. What more did I need? Sure, OS X was no BeOS, but it was pretty good.

And so I bought a series of Macs for myself, while at work I mostly used Linux or Windows. When I got my first MBP, I was shocked at just how good the trackpad was and what the battery life was like. My last Mac was a 27” iMac. It was mostly great, but the upgrade ability was limited to a pair of RAM slots without major surgery.

Meanwhile, at work I was using Linux 100% of the time and it had become so much more user friendly and had so much better hardware support that I couldn’t justify spending the money on a new Mac. And Macs still had crap gaming support.

So for my next computer I bought… a Steam Machine, the old set top box from Alienware. Why? Well, I wanted to play some games, my iMac was fine for daily use, and I had a great TV setup.

And then I moved. The iMac screen died in the move, so I started daily driving that Steam machine. And omfg I had forgotten how fucking terrible Windows was as a daily driver, but at least my gaming library was was good.

Soon a friend really needed a computer and had no money, so I built myself a new desktop and gave him the Steam machine. I set it up to dual boot Linux so I could also use it for work. But windows was still awful, so I ended up only switching to it for games.

And then Valve started heavily supporting Wine. And the games I was playing most ran on it. So I wiped the Windows partition and never looked back.

I’ve kept that desktop as my main machine and upgraded hardware in it a few times. Though at this point it’s been five years since I’ve updated anything and it’s still fast enough that I don’t see any reason to.

But I did want a laptop. So, in a narcoleptic haze I bought a pair of low end Thinkpads for $50, plus a new ssd and battery for one of them. I literally can not tell you what I was thinking when I did, because narcolepsy. But here’s the thing, even though they are 15 years old and were low end when new, they run Debian great and I daily one of them when I need a laptop.

My current work machine is a very high end MBP and it is amazingly fast, quiet and has incredible battery life. But I only really use it as a ssh relay to ssh into my cloud workstation. It’s just sitting there, plugged in and doing nothing that a RaspberryPi couldn’t if I could get corporate IT to register it on their Tailnet.

What’s the point of all this story? You can get yourself a Mac, and it will be a great piece of hardware until it isn’t, and then you won’t be able to repair or upgrade it. Or you could spend half as much and build yourself a nice desktop, keep your laptop for when you need to be on the go, or switch it for something with swapabable batteries.

Either way, a laptop and a desktop is probably better for you and won’t cost more than a MacBook Pro.

Just enjoy the MacBook. It’s a fine product. You’ll feel right at home in the Unix terminal.

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Get whatever the fuck you want.

I am a little confused by the reasoning here. Is battery life your only consideration at all? Are there any other criteria which influence your choice?

It seems like a shame to jump ship on an entire ecosystem solely because your current machine has disappointing battery life.

I recently got a machine with the new Intel 358H and the B390 iGPU. I haven't used it a ton yet, but it seems like it gets around 8-10 hours battery life on normal web browsing/productivity tasks in my experience, and while not as powerful as an RTX 4060 (Most benchmarks place the B390 somewhere between a 3050 and 4050), I imagine would be serviceable for editing and coding.

Have you considered other sellers? Slimbook? System76? Framework? Etc.