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This happens on Linux via Edge Suite.
They block my ability to use quite a few websites. I’ve tried changing my user agent amongst many other solutions but it never works. My IP is not blacklisted.
I GUESS YOU DIDNT WANT ME TO BUY ANYTHING ON YOUR GODDAMN SITE ANYWAY.
This is a national security issue. A major corporation should not be able effectively impose a security ceiling by banning more secure operating systems (like GrapheneOS) due to it not making them money. Governments should pass regulations requiring any devices that meet certain security standards and support hardware attestation to be accepted by hardware attestation schemes. This will not pose an undue burden on businesses because you can easily add something like GrapheneOS to your scheme (https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-guide), and even if it did, that doesn’t matter when national security is on the line.
Right now, it’s not as dire because you can still choose image or audio CAPTCHA, but I don’t know how long that will last, and getting the regulation out before the problem happens is better than after.
The whole "regulation is bad" scheme was bought and paid for with billions of dollars spent a small number of people who could make tens of billions by conducting their business without concern for the damage (economic externalities) they do. Its a transparent history and obvious on its face.
And yet so many average people go online and parrot it back, drinking the coolaid and passing it along.
getting the regulation out before the problem happens is better than after
There's this weird effect where preventing a disaster is often invisible, sometimes looks detrimental or a waste of time; but responding to a problem and solving it is visible and will get you acclaim. That creates a cynical incentive to let a problem become visible before combating it so as to avoid the Kassandra effect where nobody believes you until it happens.
This look le ke illégal, I guess they will shutdown internet for a big par of the population. And they I'll discover than internet traffic is less than 10% human.
Quick question: If Google doesn't want to own Android anymore, why don't they make it public domain instead of trying everything to kill it?
They want Android very much and all the data that goes with it.
They don’t want you to use Android in a way that doesn't let them harvest your data.
This. It’s shocking how many people in tech circles still see Google as anything other than a data harvester for ads.
What makes you think they want to kill it? I think they regret choosing GPL software to base it on, and dgaf about the small segment of people who use forks, except to worry that one of them might take off with an OEM and regular people.
Because they'd rather own the public
I personally have definitely encountered the point where I'm just not going to do some things merely because of "the principle".
I like that, and feel similarly.
Like, great, you add that 'feature' to your product. I'm just not going to use it anymore.
I don't even care about the inconvenience of doing everything myself, it just feels wrong to not be in control
I've started the transition away from Google. Sucks because, sometimes, it was really convenient. But now, screw 'em.
Convenience is how they get you. I have also been telling people for years that security and convenience are opposite ends of the same line. The closer you are to one the farther you are from the other.
~~Security~~ Privacy. They are distinct concepts.
For example, tokenised and biometrically authenticated transactions are more secure and more convenient than cash payments which are comparatively riskier, easier to forge, easier to steal etc.
However, this allows banks and payment providers to keep tabs on your transaction data, which cash does not.
Convenience and privacy are usually at opposite ends, security can come at either end depending on the medium.
Cash is only "less convenient" for the banks and businesses that would prefer to track you. A cashless society is a society fully stripped of privacy, a society where poor people are guaranteed to stay poor, and where only the rich can afford privacy and security.
That's my point.
Regularly going to ATMs / banks is demonstrably less convenient for both consumers and businesses and safeguarding the cash presents a security risk, especially for small businesses.
But the alternative of digital payments comes at a huge cost to privacy.
I wasn't contradicting you, I was agreeing with you.
Biometrics are not more secure, because you can be forced to give it against your will.
Fingerprint? They can force your finger onto the scanner.
Eye scan/Face Scan? They can put you in a headlock and hold the phone infront of you.
Biometic security is convenience, not security.
Maybe this is the kick up the arse companies need to finally start using hCaptcha or even Anubis.
I hope so, but it could easily come the other way. "We are so used to/deeply integrated/in a close strategic partnership with Google therefore we rather lose 5 % of our customers that care about privacy and are a pain in the ass for our data-driven business."
5% is huuuge overestimate. Maybe on a tech site or forum. On a regular website for the general public? Less than a rounding error. Remember, we are in a lemmy bubble
Maybe it's the kick in the ass they need to just cut out captchas completely, since they do absolutely nothing to block bots.
They do though. The point of captchas isn't to block all bots, that's never going to happen. They are there to block the low effort bot army that's rampaging across the internet which is effectively a DDOS stack on smaller servers.
Big AI companies throw petabytes of Data into their models. Instead of crawling and saving it once, they just index each site worth using and scrap the data each time they train a model. As a server owner you either block the scrappers with a captcha or you blanked ban IP ranges that are known for scraping.
Sure, they may block the most basic of basic bots. But for most languages in which bots are made, there are ready-made libraries for captcha solving that are essentially plug-and-play. To move from "basic" to "makes captcha useless" is an install and about 2 lines of code.
Given that, I highly doubt it blocks bots as effectively as it blocks actual users.
AFAIK all captcha is good for these days is training data.
We've moved to Cloudflare's turnstile and it's significantly less obnoxious.
Unless you use a VPN and run any kind of script blocker like noscript or uBlock Origin's medium or hard modes.
So fucking obnoxious.
Yup. I've had to add exceptions to my VPN for this reason. Mainly food/grocery delivery sites for some reason
Fuck cloudflare in general though...
People are so oblivious to this shit.
... OK, no, there's a slow dawning that online privacy is important for many reasons, but it never seems to translate into action. Probably largely because there's hardly any consumer alternatives. Employers have been renewing contracts with Big Tech for decades and can't be arsed to even think about changing their behavior.
Fuck privacy
Recaptcha has been trash for years now. Like, it either doesn't bock bots, or it blocks actual real people. Don't use it. Use turnstile.
turnstile
Haven't heard of it before, looks to be made by Cloudflare. Cloudflare don't seem to be a totally awful company, but that's always just one CEO-change away.
Their web site sounds promising, saying "Turnstile can generate multiple types of non-intrusive challenges to verify users are human, all without showing visitors a puzzle." and "Unlike CAPTCHA options, Turnstile never harvests data for ad retargeting."
So how do they make money from this?
It's right on the page you linked? You have to pay for it.
Free tier says it's cloudflare branded and only recommended for small hobby projects.
The robots were about to kill me and my entire family when I said "Look! A stop sign!". They immediately recognized my superior intelligence and retreated. /s
Everyone needs to flood the web with fake reCAPTCHA QR codes that lead to something that looks malicious to the average person.
Is the recaptcha on Google search engine, apps, android os more than one? or is it strictly 3rd party websites?
