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Don't be seen.... Got it

And its never satisfied, and gets progressively worse.

They (manufacturer) would just put it in the ToS that the user grants them that access, because very few actually reads those and just hit Accept.

But then it'll be fine for them to do it because - forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive them that trespass against us

This argument presumes that the entire many-billion and maybe even multiple-trillion dollar global ad industry is ALL based on complete, ineffective nonsense. That everyone has just been bamboozled. That's a naive view, I think.

The best argument for why we must be vigilant against ads and data collection by advertisers is because the shit does work. It influences people to make purchases, sometimes against their better judgement or reason. Because subverting someone's agency over their own body and mind is heinous at a very high level.

I'm certain you are wrong. You've absolutely purchased products that were advertised to you. You just didn't make the connection between your decision and the advertisements. You THINK seeing an ad makes you unlikely to buy a product, but you likely only really notice and have an emotional response to the ads for products you weren't likely to buy in the first place.

You really don't understand how advertising works.

You are generalizing too much here. I know many who have tried out a product only after seeing its ad. Ads can give plenty of returns to brands. But targeted ads which even exploits our most intimate conversations are really bad news for our right to privacy.

I've never met a person in my life that was convinced by an ad to buy something.

I believe that you're being truthful, but I respectfully challenge the idea that you don't know some person who was convinced by an ad to buy something. Even if all your friends truthfully insist that their decisions are not swayed by ads, there is probably some product they chose at least partially because an advertisement reached them and left a positive impression about the product.

Ads do clearly work on people who are suggestible enough to be susceptible to them. Some of your contacts are probably these people whether they admit to it or not. If ads didn't work, they wouldn't be made. Ads aren't made inherently to be annoying or make our lives worse; they're driven by profit. Kill the profit and the motive dies. IMO that's all the more reason to get rid of them.

Anecdotally, my parents and grandmother watch TV with commercials, and they give me a bug-eyed look when I explain to them that I don't get advertisements and that I don't want to see them. Most people I know just want to get content crammed down their content-holes and will deal with ads to avoid the momentary inconvenience of change. So I feel like we're fighting an uphill battle.

I mostly agree. But that ad with the unicorn shitting ice cream and kids eating was a rare exception that worked

When I was a kid there were some things I'd see and wanted, only to get them and be seriously disappointed. I learned quickly that ads are fluff.

Nowadays, I actively stay away from things I've seen advertised. The way I see it is if a company has to pay tons of money to get their product seen, it can't be all that good to start with. Genuinely good products don't need to try and convince you they're worth it.

Prove it.

I've gotten a type of product I didn't know existed before, but it's never been the brand that alerted me to it. From experiences, brands that advertise generally have the lower quality and less value for money product. Brands that don't advertise but you frequently see mentioned are generally the top tier shit for quality and value and they don't need to advertise.

Marketing psychology works on sub/unconcious triggers. You could study Ed Bernays as a rudimentary source.

What are you talking about? Which phone has parental control abilities like that?

Yeah it sounds sus. Apple themselves published an explanation of how siri doesn’t actively listen to you all the time, so I’m not sure how they can bypass that.

I'd guess they're planning on making their own stuff that does. I've already seen a "free" TV with an extra screen that just shows ads, has a camera, etc.

People are suckers, and there's plenty of unscrupulous companies willing to monetise that.