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[-] loxo@lemmy.world 93 points 6 months ago

Appropriately? Not a single comment on that post gives any good reason why they're butthurt.

[-] LWD@lemm.ee 26 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)
[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The first is not just wrong, but also dumb.

It’s wrong because anything this website builder can make, an existing template system would be able to do with admittedly more work. No designer needed.

It’s dumb because this is the argument used for literally anything that makes things easier for the layman. Would you rather we live without refrigerators so the milkman has a job? 🤦🏻‍♂️

The second is an ongoing argument with any AI model. And while it brings up a good point, it’s really just the same argument but with “freelancer” and “developer” instead of “artist” or “author.” It doesn’t actually have anything to do with the tool.

And the third is just… someone complaining in a non specific way that is both oddly condescending, while also ignoring the fact that companies (and people) can work on more than one thing. Shocking.

If these weren’t opinions, I’d say they were wrong. I mean, they are wrong to be clear, but I won’t say it.

[-] thesmokingman@programming.dev 7 points 6 months ago

Adding onto the middle two bullets (training on freelance work and reducing freelance jobs), existing freelancers already steal everything that isn’t available as a template. That’s how templates get made and moved from platform to platform. The history of web dev is all about someone doing something cool on their website and then someone else copying it and so on. Squarespace templates are just ripoffs of Wordpress templates which are just ripoffs of agency Wordpress work or agency/solo websites. There’s no copyright to that design already.

Also the market is fucking predatory for the layman. This is a net good in terms of democratizing the internet. Instead of forcing me to go to some Meta site where they control the dialogue, I can go to your site. Before small businesses couldn’t really afford the cost or maintenance for a site or just didn’t know where to start. A lot of freelance WP or Drupal or Magento stuff was so poorly secured that businesses got fucked by trusting the kid of the secretary who said they could do it for 10x than the firm quoted and the company couldn’t even figure out UpWork code exchanges. More importantly, there’s nothing stopping the freelancer from just doing this behind the scenes so you can’t really complain about lost jobs.

Code generation is a net win for everyone. If these same people aren’t shitting on Copilot or even privately trained Tabnine they have no place in this discussion.

[-] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago

that's what happens when a social platform doesn't have negative feedback (downvotes)

[-] Sabata11792@kbin.social 9 points 6 months ago
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[-] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 68 points 6 months ago

What is the appropriate response to an AI website builder? If it works well, that sounds pretty nice.

[-] LWD@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)
[-] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 34 points 6 months ago

I'm sorry but this is daft.

Mozilla is dying. Asking their tiny and dwindling user base what they think Mozilla should invest in will not save them.

I don't know if getting into AI will, but just following whatever absolutely tiny minority of their already tiny 2% of the web browser market share that bothers to fill out a survey won't help them.

[-] LWD@lemm.ee 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)
[-] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Putting random words in bold doesn't mean you have a point.

Yeah they receive money for having a default search engine. In the past it was Yahoo and now it's Google. I don't see what your point is? What does it have to do with this article?

From the article:

Our survey data shows...

That probably sounded very clever in your head. You probably thought you "owned" me or something.

But I never said surveys were bad.

I said surveys of a tiny percentage of Firefox users, which in themselves are a tiny percentage of browser users, is useless. There's nothing wrong with them commissioning wider surveys.

Do you think following what, say, a 20,000th of overall web browser users say they want is a winning strategy? I.e. to just continue what they're doing now, commit wholeheartedly to the death spiral?

Mozilla needs to diversify. Because they're dying. They'd already be dead if they followed what you seem to be suggesting (focus on the browser but also don't accept money from Google!)

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[-] Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago

So the answer this time is not building open source AI?

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 3 points 6 months ago

I'd love something like this.

[-] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 66 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

People shitting on it for free, as if Mozilla introduced the concept of generated websites (which don't really need AI, btw), or as if the average run-of-the-mill Wordpress site was any better.

[-] LWD@lemm.ee 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)
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[-] greybeard@lemmy.one 43 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Most websites are cookie cutter garbage anyways. I see no problems with cutting out the middle men of people who know his to fill out a template and install WordPress plugins.

Actually good and unique websites will still require design and programming work.

[-] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

What kind of keyboard do you use by chance?

[-] greybeard@lemmy.one 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Ha, I was typing on my phone, using OpenBoard, it really sucks at accidental b's instead of spaces. And backspace likes to deleted spaces between words.

[-] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

and backspace likes to deleted spaces between words

glad to see a fellow openboard user with the same problem

[-] Clav64@lemmy.ml 21 points 6 months ago

Might pay to read up on the luddites.

They protested against manufacturers who used machines in "a fraudulent and deceitful manner" to replace the skilled labour of workers and drive down wages by producing inferior goods.

wikipedia

[-] alienanimals@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago
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[-] grayman@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

Yeah... Focus on the browser. Nothing else matters.

[-] Engywuck@lemm.ee 11 points 6 months ago

LOL, people on that thread don't seem very happy.

[-] Blackdoomax@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 months ago

I just tested it, i like their fake reviews section xD

[-] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I guess I feel bad for website template designers (e.g. Wordpress)? Their customers are the main target audience for these sorts of very imprecise, black box tools. Along with people using generic website builders from hosts.

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