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I was the only one who thought this of Erica Ortega was non-binary or trans man? (startrek.website)

submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by cuchi@startrek.website to c/startrek@startrek.website

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When I started watching the series, I had this doubt. As the three seasons went by, I came to the conclusion that she was simply a woman.

There was a character in the Fallout series, Dane, and I completely missed the fact that they were non-binary. I thought they were more of a tomboy character, but no—the character is non-binary, and the actor is a trans man, if I'm not mistaken.

I want to know if I was the only one who thought Erica might be the same case.

It's weird to say because I usually try not to make assumptions about people, but sometimes I feel rude for not noticing these things sooner.

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[–] cattywampas@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (3 children)

What made you assume that? Because she has short hair? She used feminine pronouns the entire time and they never made mention of her biological sex.

[–] lordnikon@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah I mean she was gender swamped from her TOS counterpart. But really the beauty of star trek is it really shouldn't matter. She was pilot first that happens to identity as a woman and likes her hair styled that way.

That is what was star trek all about is not about calling out each identity, race and culture in celebration in an after school special kind of way but to normalize all kinds of people being up on that bridge.

[–] cuchi@startrek.website 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

she was gender swamped from her TOS counterpart.

What you mean with this? I didn't understand.

[–] generallynonsensical@piefed.ca 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm assuming they meant "swapped" and not swamped.

Unless gender swamping is a thing now. I can't keep up.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 3 points 21 hours ago

Gender swamping sounds like some kind of agender thing I'm too old to understand and will just nod along with.

[–] lordnikon@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Tyler

[–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 2 points 1 day ago (3 children)

That link seems broken for me, it says "bad title"

[–] cuchi@startrek.website 3 points 1 day ago

I can see it.

[–] lordnikon@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Weird just search José Tyler that's the character she is based on

[–] haverholm@kbin.earth 3 points 19 hours ago

José Tyler that's the character she is based on

Nope, she's clearly a completely different character. Tyler would have been on the crew during "The cage", which takes place before the events of Discovery s2. According to his Memory Alpha entry:

By 2258, Tyler would be superseded as navigator by Lt. Amin. (DIS: "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2")

Also, Tyler is listed on Memory Alpha as navigator, Ortegas as senior helmsman. Sure, it's a fan wiki, but Trekkies are sticklers for these things.

[–] hallettj@leminal.space 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think this is the correct link, for José Tyler: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Tyler

[–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Weirdly that link doesn't work for me either 😅 I figured it was just my browser but it didnt work in chrome, firefox, or cromite, so something is fucked up on my end, but I dunno what it is lol

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Tyler

[–] hallettj@leminal.space 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I checked it before I posted, but now clicking the link in my comment doesn't work for me either 🙃

[–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 1 points 1 hour ago

Thats weird as fuck lol. I think maybe something is just jank with the site then

Have a good one!

[–] LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A bit tomboyish, maybe. She was quite dashing as the knight from the fantasy book episode. And definitely had a thing going with the ranger character.

[–] cuchi@startrek.website 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I forgot about being the knight of a fantasy book during that episode, well, that something else who make me doubt she was a female.

[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Doubt why? Unless they are actually labeling her as trans or non-binary in the show there shouldn't be any reason to doubt what she presents herself as. In Discovery they had a non-binary character (Adira) and addressed it head-on before SNW was even airing.

[–] cuchi@startrek.website 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My doubt it was if she was a woman with short hair or actually a transgender man.

Not all person introduce as trans, so I feel like a fool when I find out Dane in Fallout was a man, I thought it was a woman with short hair like the case of Erica.

[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

I'm sure this is a cultural/language thing, but saying you "felt like a fool" sounds pretty odd. Nobody is trying to trick you here. These people are just living their lives and working as actors. Their gender identity shouldn't really matter toward the character or story unless the show wants to specifically highlight it like in the case of DSC.

[–] cuchi@startrek.website 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Her behaviour, a little bit the short hair but more the way she act, I was expecting in one episode to hear something like "My pronouns are they". Also, even if I saw the serie on english, I give more attention to the spanish subtitles, so pronouns are used slightly different.

It was my fault for having my doubts, but also when I didn't in first season of Fallout series it was actually trans, I'm wrong of don't saw it before?

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I have to ask how does someone behave trans lol

[–] cuchi@startrek.website 2 points 1 day ago

I used to have a trans companion in my high school who reminds me to Erica Ortega.

[–] alx@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago

Drink monsters and perform double jumps, mostly /j

[–] dkppunk@piefed.social 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I didn’t, but I’m also a short haired woman who sometimes behaves the way she does and isn’t super girly.

I just thought she was the hottest person on the bridge of that starship, regardless of gender.

[–] cuchi@startrek.website 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

For me the hottest is Pike, is a very handsome man and his hair is cool as hell.

[–] dkppunk@piefed.social 2 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Captain Pike is a close second in my book. I adore his hair and he’s super fucking handsome!

[–] haverholm@kbin.earth 1 points 19 hours ago

Wait, Christina Pike is a man? /s

[–] SharkWeek@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago

Agreed, she looks like a younger version of my wife, but acts more feminine. Also yes to the hotness.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

For some reason, La'an Noonien-Singh and Erica Ortegas always remind me of the Belters from The Expanse. No idea if it's the make-up or hairstyle. Wonder if that's just me... But every other scene I expect them to drop the fake accent, speak Belter language and plot against someone. Especially La'an sometimes shows character traits which go roughly that direction. Make-up art also fits.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 4 points 21 hours ago

They both have VERY strong Camina Drummer energy.

[–] thezeesystem@piefed.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 day ago

I thought she was too. Then it made me sad she wasn't. The main reason is because I know a lot of non-binary people who kinda look And act in the same kinda way so I guess I was just presuming she would be.

But if course of she was explicitly non-binary they wouldn't be able to have more then 2 seasons because of waves at everything.

But yeah I did too.

[–] ProfThadBach@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have always thought of her as a woman but really that haircut does nothing for her.

[–] cuchi@startrek.website 2 points 1 day ago

Don't take me wrong, I used to been a long hair man and people think I was a woman, but it was for more reasons than just the haircut, but I cannot explain exactly why I thought she gonna be a non-binary or trans male.