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We really need ranked choice voting
Ranked choice voting allows for multiple choices and parties and candidates
Approval voting system is better. Ranked choice is certainly an improvement, but it still incentivizes inflammatory and polarized politics and can still result in the candidate that is desirable to the most people losing. But anything is better than the current First Past The Post system.
yeah, I agree
I was surprised by how weak and digressive it was.
When they announced their intention to bury it I assumed that meant it was accurate and on point, and they wanted to bury it for exactly that reason.
But instead it almost feels like a whitewash - like the sort of thing the DNC would've ordered specifically to divert from the real problems of support for genocide and subservience to moneyed interests.
Makes me wonder if this is some sort of elaborate fraud - if they didn't just throw this together as a substitute to release in place of the real autopsy.
Paul Rivera spoke for an hour to big donors about the autopsy, prior to the announcement that they would not be releasing it publicly. This report was crafted to assure that business as usual politics would continue.
That's it.
That's the takeaway.
Democrats don’t care if they lose as long as donations keep coming.
Right, but that's exactly why I assumed that the autopsy was accurate and on-point - because it found fault with things the DNC not only was but still is deliberately doing solely to keep the soft money rolling in, and in spite of the fact that those things will likely lead to a loss. That's the reality they don't want the voters to become (more) aware of.
But since it's just a mealy-mouthed whitewash, it seems like they might as well have released it as promised.
The report only confirms that and they were trying to avoid being called out.
That or this AI slop of a report, with factual errors on almost every page and a blank conclusion section, isn't the real report and is just fodder hoping to ignore the issues they don't want to address.
Either way we can draw the same conclusion about party leadership.
Either way we can draw the same conclusion about party leadership.
True that. The names may have changed but the policies and strategies are the same now as they have been since at least 2016 - pimp the pro-corporate/pro-zionist "moderates" no matter what the voters want, at least ignore if not actively campaign against the progressives, again no matter what the voters want, and most important of all, don't do anything that might cut into the flow of soft money.
To an extent. They and Republicans are committed to learning the wrong lesson. All these people refusing to vote Etc or voting third party. You will never get their attention or get them to learn from your actions. They will always look at the one of the two that won. And imitate them. It's what's happened for over 50 years. And the same people are still in charge.
They aren't learning the wrong lessons because it's not the public that they serve, it's private interests. They know exactly what they are doing.
All these people refusing to vote Etc or voting third party. You will never get their attention or get them to learn from your actions.
They know.
Third party votes aren't cast to win an election. However, third party voters certainly change local politics, where all of their progress is being made.
(for example, ballot initiatives in my state had massive third party participation, and have been successful)
re non-voters, they are growing every year, now at about 36%. They know they can't get their attention or teach lessons, too.
This seems real to me. It was probably handed off to younger workers within the DNC who began asking the questions we all are asking. It probably caused a ruckus with the old guard squashing any of those conversations so nothing got done.
It's typical corporate gridlock.
Yeah - that tracks.
I'm tending toward the interpretation that what Martin and the rest of the upper echelon of the DNC wanted was a subtle whitewash - one that would acknowledge the rather obvious problems of corporate money and support for genocide, but then spin some fanciful reason that those weren't really problems, so it'd be fine when the DNC, as they fully intend, keep on doing what they've been doing.
But they not only didn't get that - they got a poorly written mish - mash of platitudes and gibberish that looks like it was slapped together, mostly via LLM, at the eleventh hour.
And if they spent most of the time during which they were meant to be drawing it up locked instead in a crippling tug-of-war over what it should or should not say, that'd explain that.
But they not only didn’t get that
Agreed. I may be projecting my own experience but it looks a lot like what happens in top heavy corporations with outdated perspectives. The old guard has the final say in what isn't done but they can't overrule widespread weaponized incompetence since nobody doing the actual work agrees with their vision or wants to put their name and reputation on something so disconnected from reality. People don't overtly disagree but then endlessly stall.
What seems obvious is that Paul Rivera, who wrote this report by himself and provided absolutely no source material, was in way over his head and may have even made shit up.
What boggles my mind, though, is that rather than come out and say the report was poor quality and clearly omitted many important issues and thus has limited to no utility, DNC Chair Ken Martin went to the media and tried to sell it like there were important conclusions drawn and that the DNC was enacting them.
Ken Martin of course hand picked Paul Rivera to do this. I don't know if he was trying to protect his own ego or what, but he very blatantly lied to the public about this report and has lost all credibility. I think it's likely he loses his job soon.
At this point, I'm tending toward the interpretation that Martin and the rest of the DNC upper echelon wanted and expected a report that would, among other things, pretend to address the rather obvious failures of bowing to the self-serving desires of big money donors and at least tacitly supporting the Palestinian genocide, but would then do some sort of fallacious end run that led to the comforting conclusion that that wasn't really a problem, so it would be okay when the DNC, as they fully intend, keep right on doing both of those things.
And what they got failed to do that.
This is them burying it. By releasing a highly dishonest version of events
Dems: we released this report in order to make sure that you could trust us.
Also Dems: we investigated ourselves and found that we did nothing wrong. It's your fault for not voting for us.
But continue to believe the blue lies and don't dare step out of line. Because I've just been told since my vote doesn't count because of where I live I shouldn't be in any political discussions.
There’s no way the DNC could stop sniffing its own farts long enough to provide any kind of meaningful analysis of its own actions
Ken Martin flat out lied about why they weren't releasing this report, and attacked people who criticized him over it.
He has to go, and not just him.
His interview with Jon Favreau on Pod Save America was the absolute worst. It sounds like the guy did a great job in Minnesota, but whoever showed up for that interview that day is someone I want nowhere near power. And yeah, now we've confirmed what we suspected, the whole time he was talking down to Jon he was lying through his teeth. I agree he has to go.
Hands down the most frustrating thing I’ve ever listened to. I wanted to shut it down so many times. Jon did pretty well pushing back at him but I really wanted him to push harder whenever Ken said “we gave you lessons” and tell him he’s conflating morals/conclusions with lessons. Lessons come from learning from a past event and you can’t do that without knowing the background. Also wanted him to say more explicitly that asking for blind faith was bullshit.
The autopsy concluded that so-called “identity politics” don’t resonate with white male voters. The report noted the success of Trump’s attack ads, particularly the anti-trans spots with the kicker, “Kamala is for they/them, President Trump is for you.”
“If the vice president would not change her position—and she did not—then there was nothing which would have worked as a response,” the report asserts.
Fuck these ghouls
No wonder Democrats lose. The inclusion question and the GQPedos targeting groups is the easiest fix in the history of fixes, but Dems keep getting it wronger and wronger. The answer is not to make more exhaustive lists of the groups they want to help, which invariably leaves people out, it's to say "everyone". Any stupid questions about [insert targeted minority group], answer "everyone should feel and be safe". This is an easy fix and they'll taking 18 months to wiff on the answer? We're in trouble.
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Guess it didn't come up :\
Might be a hot take, but I think regardless of her or the DNCs position on Palestine she had already lost.
It's very stupid to not have analyzed it in a report like this, but also literally like, what difference did it make
I really think as much as leftists want it to be Palestine, it's really the same reasons that 2024 was a bad year for incumbents globally.
Possibly. I think there is something to be said for pushing away every politically active young person in your base and how that impacts your "ground game", and failure of the ground game is something they do touch on.
Discissions of this are so completely over-serious... We're looking to breakdown nuance in an autopsy document and the guy who "won" is telling reporters, "Your face is dumb, okay? And to tell you the truth it very actually looks like how a butt looks. You're a real nasty bitch woman for saying a face like that. My uncle you know, he did face, a genius they said even probably, but your face... bitch face. [Wet fart]".
We're a failed nation, it's a hard reality to confront, but it is reality. The freightened idiots feel untouchable, this won't resolve with reasoned debate with strong citations.
Civility is already lost, by definition the Democratic party won't do the law breaking required to compete with this disaster. And that probably means the only win wouldn't fell like a victory at all, because we'd have to stoop so low. The only candidate that might compete today is someone who breaks into the white house ground and writes, "trump kisses my balls" on the walls in his own shit. America is captured.
Who the fuck cares anymore.
America already surrendered to tyrants.
Surrendered?? Wtf are you taking about? Things are dire out there, but there is a resistance. Get off your damn couch & join it, out build it if you have to
No matter how much Trump scares you about the Antifa militia, it doesn't make it exist.
Wow... What a train wreck
I didn't realize it'd be possible for it to be even more vapid and feckless than I expected...
Don't worry, folks...AIPAC had a chance to go through the data first, and they found nothing wrong with the conclusions made in this report.
10/10 AIPAC approved.
I seriously doubt this was prepared during the time they claim it was. It seems like a bunch of nothing words with a strict no mention of anything the left has been talking about being the issue. It's like what you'd get if you asked a chat bot to prepare an almost 200 page document about why it wasn't any of these things while being careful not to mention any of those things.