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Update: They removed the post since it was attacking the admin of another instance.
A post with a handful of interactions where the OP disagreed with db0. And I guess somewhere else Cowbee made a comment about db0.
db0's statement appears to be about the damage dismantling a state dystopia can cause, so the other users aren't quite responding to what he actually wrote.
Other context: LGBT people in GDR technically lost legal rights in german reunification. AFAIK the Nazi era legal discrimination wasn't really enforced, but also not repealed fully until 1994. So like West Germany was more open to the LGBT movement socially, but also let Nazi laws about it linger on the books a bit too long.
i was looking into this specific topic a few days ago for unrelated reasons, and from what i've read it seemed like it was enforced.
The Federal Ministry of Justice estimates that by 1994, some 64,000 men had been convicted under Paragraph 175 in West Germany.
(Paragraph 175 being the nazi one that was repealed in 1994)
I think it was meant that it wasn't enforced by the time reunification happened up until 1994.
Looks like the pseudo-anarchist mod of Slop noticed us. There was nothing good about the GDR. Marginally better rights for queer people doesn't make up for being a surveillance state that prevented citizens from leaving under threat of jailing them for trying to cross the border. 
prevented citizens from leaving
That's the biggest red flag (pun maybe intended) in any system ever.
If the system tries to make it illegal to leave the system, then you know that's a truly horrible system. Any system worth participating in doesn't need to force participation.
(Not just governments, either. A religion that tries to prevent and penalize people leaving the religion is a shitty system. A street gang that tries to prevent gang members from leaving the game is a shitty system.)
But there were good aspects about the GDR, women's rights, queer rights, workers rights.
It wasn't a good state or system in any way but it did have good aspects that should be seen in the same way as the abd aspects as all of them allow us to learn from failed "socialist" states
Workers rights were that good in the GDR? Many things that exist in modern Germany didn't exist in the GDR. The GDR first gave workers striking rights in 1990 shortly before reunification. Also you could end up in prison for unemployment. They used the Asozialengesetz (Art. 249, law against refusal to work) to also put undesirables like vagrants and undesirable subcultures like punks in prison on trumped up charges.
Also relatives who experienced the GDR say that while there were some workers rights on paper, they were effectively not enforced in many cases and party elites usually trumped workplaces, effectively making it not a workplace democracy.
Cooperatives tended to have better enforced workers rights. But most workplaces werent cooperatives but state owned collectives.
I misremembered the worker's rights thing it seems.
But I am pretty sure the GDR had good women's and queer rights in comparison to other states at the time.
I am also not trying to glorify the state as a wholr as it did have a lot of bad things like mass surbeillance etc.
It was better on gay rights until reunification, even though social acceptance was polled lower than in the west. Trans rights were about as bad as in the FRG (lots of hurdles, need recommendations from multiple doctors who might be anti trans, a lot of out of pocket expenses, but not impossible). Women's rights were better in the GDR than in the FRG up until the 80s.
Tankies are in favour of state-sponsored censorship too because it's "the working class" and "they're against disinformation", saying that the USSR was broken due to pessimism fed to people through capitalist propagandists.
Imagine allowing censorship. And not realizing that allowing any form of censorship, regardless of the reason, leads to the state becoming immune.
And that is when you know, you've fucked up.
leads to the state becoming immune.
But they like the state being immune.
Because they read a 90-year old book once that said a socialist state will always have the workers' best interests at heart, and they somehow believe that will always be the case. So of course they want their """perfect""" worker's state to be immune.
The state is made of working class people... they have the same interests as the proletariat... so it shouldn't be an issue unless you're a bourgeoisie member... that's how class works yk (beaurocracy totally doesn't create its own class/group dynamics....).
I was literally given this argument assertively, because I was apparently treating the beaurocracy as "nebulous" and my explanation was "metaphysical".
Posting about it on Slop is not mild critique.
Also we're supposed to be the stalkers when you got people constantly watching this comm and commenting and downvoting with their alts? How daft.
insistence that all socialism is somehow state capitalism
Not all, just the "socialism" they simp over at .ml
just the “socialism” they simp over at .ml
Which they think is "all socialism".
Update:
Something good was done.
Since their post was taken down, wondering if I should keep this up or follow suit.
Keep it up. The only reason cited is that an admin/moderator of one of their 'friendly' instances was targeted, not that it's not entirely in-line with their thinking.
Tankies trying to keep their entryist games up isn't a sign of goodwill.
I need some context for db0's comment.
Thanks. Yeah, pretty reasonable comment. Interesting how even the reply from the dbzer0 user completely misses the point.
So is this Tankiereactionaryies fighting one another? I ask because I could swear a previous post finding a Db0 Admin saying something positiveish for North Korea
Db0 has been awfully friendly with the tankies lately despite being an anarchist
And thats why I've moved from .world to db0 to quokk.au to blahaj. I'm of the "be gay do crime" bent, not the "talk theory and hug tankies" flavor of...whatever ideology they're bonding over is.
You might want to consider that Hexbear Slop's mod Diva, who is mentioned in this thread, is also a moderator for Blahaj's Transgender.
The leopards ate dbshitter face today.
What does Hexbear think of the idea of Israel treating its trans people better compared to Palestine?
"Pinkwashing" is a popular term among tankies when an argument comes up about countries they like being anti-LGBT+, or countries they don't like being less anti-LGBT+.
Don't go there. Israel does too much crap that treating trans people a little better is not going to redeem them.
Is that not along the lines of db0's point?
Db0 is partially right. The post is more about the people that db0 has been buddy buddy with (like Cowbee) stabbing him in the back in a snark thread
MLs backstabbing anarchists? My, that never happened before! /s
They should read less theory and more history methinks.
Duh! And my point is that tankies are inconsistent again if they agree with what you said about Israel. There's nothing they seem to hate more lately, so you'd think they'd be familiar with the logic of how treating trans people better is not an excuse for other things, but if you slap on something Soviet, the logic no longer computes. Dogmatic thinking at its finest.
Remember that tankies aren't allies
Aren't allies to...? What do you guys call yourselves?
I'm not a tankie btw but whenever i'm on this comm i feel like i've stumbled into a political club communicating via secret handshake
Anybody. They tend to stab each other in the back on occasion over petty differences in opinion. Here they posted a post about db0 in the hexbear snark thread.
Aren’t allies to…? What do you guys call yourselves?
Leftists, generally.
Aren’t allies to…?
Anybody other than their own very specific flavor of tankie ... and when it comes down to it, likely not even that, either. Even someone they 100% ideologically agree with might have to be purged if they represent a threat to a tankie's power.
What's the context?
Also, anarcho communism or bust.
A post on hexbear glorifying the GDR for legalizing homosexuality.
And an article excerpt saying trans rights were better in the GDR than in the FRG.
What's GDR?
east germany