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submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by xj9@hexbear.net to c/askchapo@hexbear.net

i've seen this phrase used around here in a few variations and it rarely gets called out as problematic. i really don't think its ok so i thought i'd ask: does hexbear think its ok? i can understand and support the use of violence against fascists and colonizers, but genocide is really their thing. i don't see why it makes sense to use it even as a rhetorical device. why doesn't this get called out? is genocide so normalized in casual conversation that it doesn't register or what?

edit: ~~i have all the [he/him]s on the website telling me that this is actually a very funny joke. i still don't like it or get it, but i've had my fill of arguing with y'all so thanks for the info. i can see why nobody calls this one out. it kinda fucking sucks. i'll just go ahead and block people who post this type of joke and go on my merry way.~~

now that everyone has had a chance to chime in, i'm just going to add some context for y'all

  1. ~~most of the responses i got at first were from [he/him]s which is why i said the above. nothing against any gender, just what i saw.~~ it wasn't my intention to misgender anyone sorry if it came across that way. i really meant it as an observation of who was jumping in to reply at the start of the thread, but i didn't realize how it could be perceived in other contexts.
  2. i'm not american. i'm technically a US citizen, but i have much more significant cultural ties to SV, MX, and separately and to a lesser extent NA indigenous community. i don't always get where western people are coming from. i like the overall tone of hexbear maybe i just don't how imaginary genocide is supposed to be cathartic. i apologize if it came across like i'm trying to tone police y'all. that's really not my jam, but y'all do seem a little pre-disposed to getting offended when your little jokes are questioned.
  3. i still don't like the joke, so i'm going to remove them from my feed. if y'all don't have an issue with it that's fine. i was just trying to get a feel for what y'all think. the push back was a little upsetting after the day i had yesterday, but i'm over it now. i can live with curating my own experience based on my personal taste.
  4. i haven't been that articulate, but i think my feelings are best summarized by this reply:

As someone that does find the joke funny, upon some reflection i have realised that it is an inapropiate joke, genocide is a horrific thing and to make light of it by making it a subject of a joke is in bad taste the same way that jokes about sexual assault are in bad taste, we rightfuly look down on redditors for the latter but allow the former

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[-] iie@hexbear.net 90 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

the original meme was about communist banter being unhinged and socially unacceptable.

I think it resonates with us because it's relatable, we've all been the person holding their tongue at a family gathering. I also think it resonates as a reaction to the lopsided "colonizer deaths are a tragedy while colonized deaths are a footnote" tone-policing in western media (see Israel discourse). Also, a politics of violent revolution makes flippant humor inevitable, back in '73 people were joking about "spain's first astronaut" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Carrero_Blanco

[-] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 40 points 9 months ago

Spain's first astronaut is a hilarious bit btw and noticeably does not include jokes about genocide.

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[-] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 82 points 9 months ago

It's an inside joke. I'd never say it in public. That would make me look ridiculous.

edit: i have all the [he/him]s on the website telling me that this is actually a very funny joke. i still don't like it or get it, but i've had my fill of arguing with y'all so thanks for the info. i can see why nobody calls this one out. it kinda fucking sucks. i'll just go ahead and block people who post this type of joke and go on my merry way.

another poSSter down UNLIMTED GENOCIDE AGAINST THE LEMMY DOT FIRST WORLD lemmitor qin-shi-huangdi-fireball GLORY to the joint dictatorship of the posters of oppressed instances!! dprk-soldier

[-] WalterBongjammin@hexbear.net 66 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This is a good point. Like most boomers, my socdem Dad used to browse Hexbear as part of his morning routine. Unfortunately he came upon a post using the offending phrase and now just posts 'so much for the tolerant left' under any article about Joe Biden on the Washington Post's website. Y'all need to reflect on this. If not for the sake of this website, but for the democrats reelection chances in 2024

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[-] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 63 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

edit: i have all the [he/him]s on the website telling me that this is actually a very funny joke. i still don't like it or get it, but i've had my fill of arguing with y'all so thanks for the info. i can see why nobody calls this one out. it kinda fucking sucks. i'll just go ahead and block people who post this type of joke and go on my merry way.

Asks a bunch of questions about a joke in askchapo

Gets mad at the people who respond

Adds an extremely mad edit

Includes a sideswipe at "he/hims" for some reason

Folks this person is clearly an expert in alienating rhetoric, so we might want to listen up as regards took-restraint

[-] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 34 points 9 months ago

Yep. Being like "it's only da evil mens who disagree with me" is soft misgendering of quite a few people.

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[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 59 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

xi-plz yes

EDIT: Another session struggled, unlimited reeducation on the imperial core

[-] kot@hexbear.net 58 points 9 months ago
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[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 58 points 9 months ago

"From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free" and "Free Palestine" are being called genocidal statements. There's no point moderating our speech against the global north. As long as the global north maintains a stranglehold on global media and culture, anything we say that is adverse to their interests will be called genocidal.

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[-] ilyenkov@hexbear.net 55 points 9 months ago

"The First World" (or Global North, etc.) isn't an ethnicity, race, or any group of people. And it should be destroyed. This doesn't mean kill everyone in the first world anymore that "Death to America" means kill everyone in America. It's also not a joke; it's a meme phrase but the sentiment is genuine

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[-] Mokey@hexbear.net 49 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Just he/hims saying it? Thats definitely not true.

I do agree that unlimited genocide stuff is baby edgelord stuff and isnt rooted in any marxist thought. I dont take it seriously though and i generally assume the people who are saying it seriously are the whitest people on the planet or theyre from like iraq where youre like "well yeah"

[-] Mokey@hexbear.net 31 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Also in general, like most of our "memes", its not funny. Meme should have a short shelf life

But getting mad and blocking people over it is kind of fragile and reeks always vote blue

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[-] chickentendrils@hexbear.net 48 points 9 months ago

Seems fine shrug-outta-hecks

I think the odds of someone misinterpreting and actually committing genocide are pretty low.

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[-] Mindfury@hexbear.net 48 points 9 months ago

another kkkracker down, i guess

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[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 47 points 9 months ago

Oh are we doing that lame-ass dork thing where we take an obvious joke, pretend it's not an obvious joke and then get mad at imaginary people who supposedly allegedly say it seriously

Cool what a productive conversation based on good faith dailogue

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[-] duderium@hexbear.net 46 points 9 months ago

Not crazy about it but the global north has been doing genocide on the global south for five centuries. It’s not a meme. It’s reality.

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[-] arabiclearner@hexbear.net 45 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

does "unlimited genocide on the global north" or other variations really sound like something you should say?

yes-chad

It's pretty much a site-culture thing. No one actually wants to commit genocide on anyone. Honestly it sounds like you're doing some bad faith concern trolling here, so you do you fam...

i have all the [he/him]s on the website telling me that this is actually a very funny joke.

Uh... there are other pronouns saying that. Are you trying to pull an AOC here? LOLOLOLOLOLOL

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[-] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 43 points 9 months ago

Chiming in as others have said, it's not serious at all. Reference to a leftist meme someone made that gets spread around a lot.

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[-] Lord_ofThe_FLIES@hexbear.net 43 points 9 months ago

ACAB includes the tone police acab-2

[-] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 43 points 9 months ago

it doesn't make us many friends, but it is funny. "kill whitey" works too.

[-] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 32 points 9 months ago

like, not to state the obvious, but the overwhelming majority of this site is USian or Yuro.

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[-] RonPaulyShore@hexbear.net 42 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

i have all the [he/him]s on the website telling me that this is actually a very funny joke... i'll just go ahead and block people who post this type of joke and go on my merry way.

wokescold on settleroid violence 😔

[-] CantaloupeAss@hexbear.net 36 points 9 months ago
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[-] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 33 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It's obviously not a good thing to say; it's the leftist version of fascists joking about helicopter rides or the day of the rope. Any normal person who hears it will write you off instantly. Genocide should be a red line for any leftist. "Oh it's a joke" -- not to people who don't have your specific vintage of internet brain poisoning. "I'm not saying it to normal people" -- you're posting it on a public forum.

This should be an easy one, but we're often contrarian to the point where we can't self-crit.

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[-] CA0311@hexbear.net 32 points 9 months ago

the original "thank you for not saying unlimited genocide on the first world at my parents house I know that took restraint" image is really fucking funny imo. It's a great comic/meme/joke. it's been referenced repeatedly until the joke isn't a joke anymore and it's not that funny anymore, but that happens to everything so it's not a big deal imo. using the word genocide in that context is kind of surprising and excessive which is what makes the comic funny. but it has maybe became an unpleasant phrase that people use way too much. dunno how important anything said in hexbear really is tho lol

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[-] M68040@hexbear.net 31 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I say these things to piss off right wingers, not because they are something i should say. The end goal of my politics are to subject them to the same constant headaches they subject me to

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[-] muddi@hexbear.net 30 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It doesn't sound like something I should say, and I don't say it in public, but I have to admit I feel warm inside hearing another person say it meow-hug...it's more a emotivistic thing with a social, Wittgensteinian element: we say stuff we think others want to hear, and the harder we say stuff they wanna hear, the better we will have said it

It's like not when I say "fuck Nazis" I am literally commanding my audience to go forth and fornicate with fascists

[-] invo_rt@hexbear.net 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

On the scale of vote to qin-shi-huangdi-fireball, where does amerikkka and xi-plz fall?

I'm not shit posting on here to win hearts and minds. In the USian public, the reaction I get to telling people I'm a Marxist-Leninist is the same as I'd get shouting "anotha kkkracka down unlimited genocide on the first world" shrug-outta-hecks

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[-] Feinsteins_Ghost@hexbear.net 27 points 9 months ago

No.

It stinks of edgelord shit.

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[-] Cherufe@hexbear.net 27 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Nobody I know IRL talks the way people on hexbear talk and most people IRL here have at least 1 relative kidnappedand tortured by an US backed dictatorship. To me its just edgy shitposting.

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