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[–] cyan_mess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 hours ago

Because a law is only as effective as the authorities' will to enforce it. With police being what it usually is and a judicial body with a heavy Opus Dei presence, the ban on francoist symbols is largely unenforced.

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 24 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Because it was never properly de-fascisized and is still full of cryptofascists. You don't need to look any further than the Guardia Civil, the paramilitary "police".

Spain is a clear lesson that you can't transition out of fascism. You need a clear cut, at least like what happend in Portugal.

[–] calavera@lemmy.zip -1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Which country does not have fascist police?

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 5 points 5 hours ago

You seem to be unacquainted with the Guardia Civil, which is more like a military force to suppress the local population.

Police everywhere is bad, but there are definitely different levels of bad.

[–] someoneelse@lemmy.ml 11 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Because it's not a ban on private display. Bars don't belong to the state, they can do whatever they want.

[–] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 3 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

That's not what the private part is about: it means private spaces, not privately-owned or -operated places.

Private place means your living room. A bar anyone can enter is a public place. An office all kinds of people work at but is not open to everyone is also not a private place. See what I mean?

[–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 1 points 8 hours ago

You’re describing quasi-public, not public, spaces under US law. Different countries, different laws

[–] someoneelse@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 hours ago

Alright, the ban is on the administration, not on individuals. This is not a courtroom and it was clear from the context.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 2 points 14 hours ago

That would only apply if they were private members’ clubs. As they’re open to the public, the law theoretically applies.

[–] nahostdeutschland@feddit.org 5 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Just imaging the folks going into such a bar

[–] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

I sometimes go to a place that has Marxist symbols, doesn't mean I'm a tankie. It's just a nice place with chill people.

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

Does Marxist imply tankie? I was under the impression that some Leninism was needed for that.

Edit: yep. Marxists are not tankies

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 7 hours ago

It's 2026, everyone is either a Zionist, anti-semite, tankie, racist, misogynist or homophobe.

[–] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 1 points 10 hours ago

Let's just say people see Marx and Engels and immediately jump to Stalinism.

[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it -2 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

It always amuse me how people think that just because someone go to a certain place then he should be a supporter of whatever the place represented in the past (for the present I might somewhat agree but still seems stupid most of the time).

Following your reasoning, we should demolish basically everything in Europe, almost everything could be linked to some not so nice past period or event.

[–] Undvik@fedia.io 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

These places are not historical. These are bars that have been filled with Francoist memorabilia to explicitly exalt the Dictator. Imagine a nazi bar chock-full of swastikas, the only book in the bookshelf is neon Kampf, and instead of a mirror you have a big picture of Hitler, all with the finishing touch of the radio playing Hitler's speeches.

THAT is what is being referred to here. And yes, if you go to a place like that, you are a fascist

[–] Undvik@fedia.io 7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

And btw, for the particular bar mentioned in the article, the owner is Chinese and not at all afraid of showing what it's about: altr

[–] black0ut@pawb.social 1 points 6 hours ago

If I had a nickel for every francoist bar in Spain owned by a Chinese guy, I'd have 2 nickels. Which isn't much, but it's weird that it happened twice.

(The other one I know is called Bar Oliva, and it's in Usera, Madrid)

A bar in the corner of a building, where the walls are all painted with a Spainsh flag. There are two Spainsh flags hanging above the door.

Coincidentally, cops seem to love it.

[–] nahostdeutschland@feddit.org 3 points 13 hours ago

No, but if you go to a fascist fan cafΓ©, people will think that you are a fan of fascists. And there is a difference between historical monuments and businesses catering to fascists