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cross-posted from: https://piefed.ca/c/canada/p/727265/signal-to-ottawa-we-ll-leave-canada-before-we-help-you-spy-on-users

Signal is drawing a hard line on the federal government’s proposed surveillance legislation: comply with Bill C-22 or leave the country. The secure messaging app says it would rather ditch the Canadian market than be forced to weaken the privacy protections it has built its reputation on. In an interview with The Globe and Mail

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[–] dltk@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

Legislators who try to make such laws should be summarily executed.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 57 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

so THAT'S why they are closing down on installing apps from outside the play store.

[–] racoon@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I still dream of a keyboard that encrypts all messages regardless of the application being used. Like you type and then select the message, a pop up menu lets you encrypt the message using the code that you have chosen with somebody.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Look up oversec.io

It basically uses android accessibility features to both encrypt and decrypt messages.

[–] CodeAssembler@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It is a bit tedious but works: https://fdroid.gitlab.io/jekyll-fdroid/packages/com.amnesica.kryptey/

Edit: Just saw that the last update was 3 years ago, just keep that in mind. I think for some situations it is still useful and can be used, as the encryption and key-exchange seems to be solid.

[–] the_strange@feddit.org 7 points 1 day ago

OpenKeychain has an implementation like this (not 100%) maybe that fits your use case?

https://www.openkeychain.org/

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Pretty sure I read stories in the past of Google or someone like them banning people who were sending pre encrypted messages over one of their chat services.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago

They still ban you now abnd then, if you encrypyt to their drive.

[–] racoon@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

wow so they were reading every single message, amazing

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

A computer was anyway. These services arent necessarily reading our messages personally, but the algorithms parse them for ad placements or whatever, and it probably got flagged as being unreadable.

Some services that arent intending to be secure chat might not like the idea of encrypted content on their system either. What is it? What are they now harboring which wasn't their intent at all?

[–] RVGamer06@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

Oversec is like that, but IIRC it doesn't work correctly on the latest versions of android

[–] neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 1 day ago (3 children)

If they left the Canadian market, what’s preventing Canadians from still using it?

[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 2 points 12 hours ago

This is one of the things that bugs me.

If you're in Country A, with all your operations in Country A, and what you do is legal in Country A, why should you give a single fuck about Country B's laws?

Seems to me the appropriate answer is basically to do what The Pirate Bay did with DMCA notices- respond that your laws don't apply to us as we have nothing to do with your country, and if your citizens use our software that's between you and them. It's not our job to enforce your laws on your citizens.

[–] funkforager@sh.itjust.works 47 points 1 day ago (5 children)

The Canada-region app stores like Apple or Android would be unwilling to let you download the app if the law passes. So without sideloading, it just wouldn’t be accessible.

[–] Delilah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 85 points 1 day ago (2 children)

And by side loading you mean installing software on a device you own, like PCs have been forever. Side loading is a 100% bullshit term created by Apple and Google to try and make sure you don't think you actually own your devices

[–] Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

That’s factually not true though. Side loading was a term used before Google was even a company and before devices had internet access or peripherals/accessories to directly connect media other than plugging into your computer. Before devices had internet and you had to plug them into your computer to transfer files and install non-stock software. They would just say unauthorized or unofficial software if side loading wasn’t a term. It’s not like they need that term to exist for their shit behavior.

[–] akilou@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Ok, I'm on board. So like what do we call installing an app outside of a store?

[–] root@aussie.zone 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Installing a downloaded application.

[–] Delilah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 23 hours ago

Installing for short

[–] Redjard@reddthat.com 2 points 22 hours ago

Installing an apk, installing directly, ...
As opposed to installing from Fdroid, from gplay, ...

You can also go by source, like with the stores. For example Signal android can be installed from their website (by downloading an apk).

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago

It's not sideloading.

[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Any reason Signal couldn't offer a web app client?

[–] egsaqmojz@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

cuz they dont store msgs on a server. feature, not a bug

[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Web browsers have a local storage API.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago

Am I the only one who has app store accounts for multiple regions?

But actually, if this happens (and it won’t, at least this time), the next bill to go through would have to be for the right to sideload. Because all of the politicians use Signal and would need a way to install it.

[–] sekurious@lemmy.nz 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think they can use the VPN to get access to it. It’s a way to make sure governments doesn’t exert too much pressure to give up data!

[–] Rat_in_a_hat@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

True, until VPNs are also banned (like some US states are doing). One anti-privacy law passed will bring up another, then another, then another.