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It's becoming increasingly apparent to me that Pascal's Wager makes more sense in the opposite direction.
Let's say that there's a chance that there is no God, and your actions alone impact how future generations live.
With how Christians are currently behaving, their actions will result in untold misery for decades to come as countries succumb to fascism and the environment collapses.
Pascal's Nth wager.
This is a humourous explanation of the undoing of Pascal's Wager. Pascal's Wager implies there's only one god (the one the speaker believes in) and the wager is that it's safer to bet on the god and be wrong than to bet against it and be wrong. So if Christianity is the only religion in the world and every Christian agrees 100% on how the religion works, then the wager makes sense. However, when you realise there are thousands of gods, and a great many of them which have claimed a role in creation, then the wager falls apart.
As for Klingon religion, it's as safe a bet as any of them. I mean who's to say Stovokor isn't real. Okay, it's heavily based on Norse mythology (but way more metal!), but Christianity is based on a bunch of older religions, too. They pretty much all are, the ones people know the names of anyway. I'm not saying it's not fine to believe in one, it's just illogical to judge someone for not believing.
Which itself falls apart to pantheism.
I went around that circle with my theist friends. It took all of five seconds for someone to go, "Some believe we give differing names to the same entity.", or that the "Gods" themselves are just evidence of his bleed into our reality and are at best, human descriptions of the divine.
Yeah, the argument didn't last much longer after that hail-mary.
it's illogical
That about sums up religion I think.
I like the explanation from Eric the Viking, the gods are only real for those who believe in them and don't exist for those who don't.
Also: what if the real gods don't have issues with atheists, but do take issue with praying to false gods? The expected value suddenly clearly shows atheism to be the best answer.
That's a good point. As a lifelong Atheist, I've always wondered, if [your] God is good, He should value goodness. Blind faith is not, in and of itself, good. Being a good person shouldn't be predicated upon whether or not you believe in one specific god. I'm saying God should judge your deeds, not your words, because look at how many "Christians" go to church to be "born again" and will, not five minutes later, cut you off in traffic risking an accident, just knowing that they're "saved" and will go to Heaven if they die, and fuck whatever you got going on. If you've ever driven by a church on Sunday around noon, you know what I'm talking about. Sunday Christians is absolutely a thing. And it's not just Sunday, it's the time they're in that building, if that, and at no time else.
But Christians will tell you deeds and good intentions are not enough, you have to pick one very specific and narrow view of God and you have to be right. That doesn't make sense to me. If you can be a bad person and still be saved because you prayed to the right god but you were a dick to everyone in life, but a good person can't be saved because they prayed to the wrong god or to no god... that's not an eternity I'd want to live in, nor the kind of people I would want to spend it with.
Here's the real thing though: as an Atheist who tries to be a good person, if I happened to be walking down a dark alley and saw a grown man trying to SA a child, I'm going to kick his ass and get the child to safety. At the very least I'm going to break a few ribs kicking him in the side, then I'm gonna stomp him a few times when he's down, so he doesn't get up and give chase. To me, this isn't even a question — I think even some shitty people would do that, just because it's the right thing to do. Meanwhile, God is supposedly omniscient (can see all) and omnipotent (unlimited power), so he sees all CSA and many of those children are praying to Jesus (or some god) for help and God isn't doing anything? That's not a god I want to worship. Show me the god who uses his or her powers for good and prove they exist and I will follow. But wait, it gets worse. The girl who was SA'd doesn't get the help she needs, so she takes her own life — straight to Hell, according to most Christians. However, the guy who did it got caught and "reformed" in prison, so he goes to Heaven when he dies? Her family never sees her again (assuming they go to Heaven) but the person who ruined and ultimately took her life is there with them for eternity, and they just accept his apology and forgive him? Nah, fuck that.
Yes, it's remarkable how western centric Pascal must have been. Every monotheist is a non-believer for 99.99% of all existing and practically 100% of all possible religions. I'd even say every Christian is a non-believer with respect to the infinite possible conflicting interpretations of Christianity or even with respect to the interpretations of just their own special sects version of it.
Where very different religions can find genuine common ground is in mysticism. But then again, there are non-dualist, atheist world views, that also allow for something like mystic experiences.
What if we all are fucked no matter what, because of Sithrak?
lol love this one, reminds me a bit of Small Gods by Terry Pratchett
Sithrak is the one god I can get behind.
No demands, no favouritism, just eternal torment for all, equally.
It's a fair god.
Naw, South Park said the Mormons got it right. That's all the gospel I need.
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🎵 Dum dum dum dum dum! 🎶
Klingon gods are more trouble than they’re worth.
You would think someone would find a solution to that
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I'm a staunch atheist, but the Pearly Gates have nothing on the River of Blood.
I don't think belief in Kahless is actually required to go to Sto'Vo'Kor, just honorable death in battle.
If you believed in the KKKri$$tian god but still died honorably in battle, god and Kahless would have to fight over your soul, and Kahless would win of course.
Not the first time he's killed a god.
It was Kortar and his (officially unnamed) mate who slew the Klingon gods.
Gah; right you are. Getting my ancient Klingons mixed up.
Easy mistake to make, Klingon mythology is usually Kahless and the most commonly quoted line about this doesn't specify which ancient Klingon warriors did the slaying.
Does Kahless even care whether you believe in him or not? I thought if you were all honorable and a mighty warrior and such you were good to go.
But if you don’t believe in Kahless there’s literally nothing stopping you from being a pathetic sniffling coward! Religion is the only true source of ~~morality~~ honour.