Saudi Arabia is proof that prohibition doesn't work. They don't drink yet still raging assholes with slaves and everything
this post was submitted on 02 May 2026
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But also they drink, or at least the rich and powerful do if they want to.
Hypocrisy is a core part of wealth.
The idea that all alcohol is haram is actually pretty recent. Muslims in the medieval and early modern eras interpreted the Qu'ran as forbidding specific types of fermented beverages rather than banning alcohol altogether, let alone all intoxicants as is generally the case today. Arab, Iranic, and Turkish poets wrote epic paeans to the greatness of wine and waxed lyrical about how it brought one closer to God and so all Muslims should drink it. Christian European diplomats complained that Muslim Turkish dignitaries outdrank them hard, and nobody could put away wine as well as the sultan.
Ever since Muhammad, at least some Muslims have interpreted the Qu'ran as banning any consumption of alcohol, but it's unclear when this position became the dominant one. I know that wine flowed freely in the Ottoman court into the 17th century, so it was probably only some time in the Modern era.
One line bans wine, another bans showing up to prayers so drunk you don't understand the words you're saying
Do you have sauce for this because I want to dive in to this research rabbithole
I'm reading The Ottomans: Khans, Caesars, and Caliphs by Marc David Baer. One of the numerous things he talks about is attitudes to wine in the Ottoman court, which set the time for all of contemporary Türkiye. Baer compares Turkish attitudes toward wine with similarly positive attitudes in Iran and the Arab nations, also noting that the Ottomans and Safavids both condemned each other as being drunk as good Muslims must never be. (The Ottomans and Safabids were constantly calling each other blasphemous for indulging in the very things they themselves loved doing).
Or was it because Ottomans and Turks drank before Islam took popularity. Not that muslim turks believed in drinking
It would be hypocrisy if they included themselves. The rich are above such things as rules or laws.
You mean prohibition doesn’t make people good? Their prohibition on alcohol is a fairly effective prohibition on alcohol.
Leopards drank my booze!