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[–] PunkMonk@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 12 hours ago

'Humans are naturally greedy and instead of doing anything to try right this wrong, we should just be contempt being awful. Oh, and also ignore all historical evidence of the ways tribes would share resources communally.'

[–] ClassIsOver@hexbear.net 12 points 21 hours ago

"Communism doesn't work because people are inherently corrupt, so it makes sense to choose an alternative that actively selects for it"

[–] Rindogang@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Yeah... people forget that ancient humans survived through cooperation long before states existed and the fights they did have were mostly just over territory and resources. Not some deep evil ''human nature''

[–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

To be fair, getting people to coordinate gets exponentially harder the more people you have. We evolved to work in relatively small groups, not millions or billions.

[–] Rindogang@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 day ago

Yeah true but humans have evolved to cooperate on a large scale, unlike most primates The violence we see today has nothing to do with culture clashes or a lack of evolution... it’s driven by inequality. And the state wasn't created to solve coordination problems, it emerged from inequality to protect those who had too much

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 day ago

And yet society has evolved historically towards greater and greater interconnection, rather than fragmentation. Shouldn't that say something about how human nature depends more on our ever-changing material conditions, than as something fixed and static?

Cooperation against other humans (and Neanderthals and such)

[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 1 day ago

I would make the argument that our species resorting to violent conflict over shareable resources is a pretty damning indictment of human nature.

Tribalism exists, it's a scientific fact. You can overcome the biases it imposes through cognitive effort, but at a baseline we are predisposed to hate anyone who we believe "doesn't belong." That's not inherently evil, but it is asshole behavior.

[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

And they're confusing learned societal encouraged behavior as innate despite all evidence to the contrary from anthology.

[–] jorge@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 17 hours ago

Do you mean anthropology? Honest question.

[–] MoonManKipper@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Or they’ve just met a reasonable number of a*holes…

[–] Dialectical_Idealist@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

If you only saw a bear in a circus, you would think its nature was to ride a unicycle.

It's also intellectually dishonest to ignore examples of communal behavior, such as gift economies and communal farrming, as somehow not counting when we're considering "human nature". There are exceedingly many examples of selflessness even in this individualist hellhole we built for ourselves.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 17 hours ago

And that they've observed that once groups reach a certain size, it's inevitable that the group contains at least one asshole.

It's like the fable of the scorpion and the frog. It doesn't mean that it's impossible to cross the river. It just means that you need a more complex plan than just carrying the scorpion across on your back.

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Not quite, if that were the case the statement would be "because assholes". By blaming "human nature" they're self identifying as one of the assholes.

Assholism is a diverse group with many discrete types of sub-asshole.

[–] StumblingWasabi@lemmy.today 4 points 15 hours ago

Not necessarily. People could have an outlook similar to "a person is smart, people are idiots"

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

It's the nature of humanity that in any reasonably sized group, there are always a few assholes.

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Agreed, but IMHO that is a different conjecture to that of the meme.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 hours ago

I don't think so. Good things can't happen because of human nature: making good things happen involves groups making decisions, and in every group there are bound to be some assholes because that's human nature, that limits the kinds of good things that can happen.

[–] Oisteink@lemmy.world -4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nah - if I say that to you, I’m talking about you. But not directly as you cant take criticism

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

every accusation is a confession

[–] GiorgioPerlasca@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

The complete form of the sentence is the following:

Excusatio non petita, accusatio manifesta is a Latin phrase of medieval origin. Its literal translation is "Unsolicited excuse, manifest accusation" (or "He who excuses himself, accuses himself").

The meaning of this phrase is: if one has nothing to justify themselves for, they should not apologize at all. Struggling to justify one's own actions without being solicited can be considered as an indication that one has something to hide, even if the person is in fact innocent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excusatio_non_petita%2C_accusatio_manifesta

[–] Oisteink@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That was about me or the OP? Or maybe you’re the daft one here??