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My last build and current have been a Thinkstation and a z series workstation, both used from ex-gov auctions, were decently priced, will run everything you wanna throw at them.
They do come at the cost of increased power draw, but since I've put in solar I'm not worried about that.
A big fan of the HP elite desk line. Specifically the mini form factor. Also the Intel version for quick sync.
iGPU for low power draw, but can still handle a transcode or two for Jellyfin.
Cheap as a refurbish on eBay.
My server is currently sitting at 1.5 years of uptime, hosting Jellyfin, minecraft, adguard, and a while suitr of other tools!
I use a nucbox mini pc and two usb ext hdds to run a jellyfin server and a samba file server. Works great. Im using Lubuntu -- i dont exactly recommend it, but it works fine enough. Any lite Linux distro would probably work great. Here's a picture of my janky "server rack" setup:
Stop ordering from Amazon
“… order from here instead [insert alternative]”
I just went to ebay and goodwill for my tech stuff. Goodwill is a tad annoying though cause their online shop is literally only bids, so have fun watching the price shot up in the last few days.
ebay is slightly better, but in the end just another publicly traded company that treats their employees like shit.
If you go with eBay, still look local for someone who is selling surplus stuff. There's a lot of hassle and cost for the seller over ebay, but they are not allowed to arrange anything via a back channel - however, once you have bought one thing and you are happy with them, you have their contact info! You can ask for more or reach out in the future directly when they look to have lots of stock of something you like. They will probably be happy to avoid eBay and get some easy sales.
It's good to encourage reuse, which is eBay's main thing. I wouldn't have a reason to buy anything new from them however.
Slightly better is still the direction we want to head in. Not sure how else we get off the racketing-effect/boiled-frog path we've been on.
Yes it is, I would just like to encourage the frog to jump out rather than reduce the flame.
Wondering what is a good sub $300 computer I can order that will run Jellyfin, Immich, and a few light services off of?
A lot more options than you think. The Tiny/Mini/Micro PCs are fantastic for what they are, even one running a 7th gen Intel CPU is more than plenty.
Ask a local ISP like us. We store our old servers and send them to be recycled annually. If I had an enthusiast walk up to our offices asking for a donation, we wouldn't hesitate. Can't speak for competitors, but it's worth a shot.
I would gladly pay shipping for a server donation... 🥺
University surplus. I work for a university and we get rid of stuff all tfe time that is still very useful.
I got my home server (Lenovo thinkcentre, i7 6700) for $30 minus ram or storage at my local university surplus store a few years ago, and I have no regrets. Added a 256gb sata SSD, 16 gb RAM, 8tb HDD all refurbished for like +$150 when that was still cheap.
Do they sell/auction them? If so, where? I've seen some things on municibid, but most of it is like "900 iPads, must buy all of them!" or "here's a pallet of printers!"
one year my local uni got rid of a whole lab of G5's. this was just about two years after they bought them.
Yeah I’ve found 2 year old Dell laptops that still had Accidental Damage Service still on them. Why the heck someone surplussed that is beyond me.
I always used my retired PCs and parts but then my kids all wanted gaming rigs so spare PCs and parts do not exist in my world anymore and they tended to be too big, noisy and inefficient.
I would go for used ex-corporate desktop mini PCs from the likes of Dell, HP, Lenovo. Perhaps don't go for the smallest ones if you want to be able to get into them and add stuff. They tend to have reasonably good idle power and noise and its common to find ones supporting two nvme ssds. Intel cpu with quicksync for jellyfin video decode if you aren't adding discrete gpu - check supported codecs. Codec support varies across generations I think.
I would stay well away from laptops: bad thermals, power limits, limited expandability and SBCs like RPi which have poor io for servers.
I picked up an old HP Elitedesk off ebay a few years ago. I added a few TB of SSD and another stick of DDR4 when that stuff was cheap. It supports two nvme ssds as well as space for sata drives. Apart from media storage I can't see any compelling reason to want to upgrade it.
Dell optiplex
It won’t be on Amazon, but I found a ton of older generation Mac minis available on Craigslist in my area. I picked one up for $50 and installed Ubuntu server. Thing’s been running like a champ for 2 years.
My 2014 Mac mini has two internal hard drives because that era supported Fusion drives. Mine wasn't specced with a Fusion, but for about £10 I picked up an adapter from eBay so I could populate the NVME slot. As a result I've got a 1tb 2.5" SSD that houses /home, and a 250gb NVME drive that the rest of the OS lives on. But they could be set up in any way that suits.
The only real caveat with that Mac is to ensure the one you get has 16gb RAM, because it ain't upgradable (unless you're dosdude1). Also, it's GPU isn't much cop. But mine is running Debian and a bunch of services on 8gb and doesn't cause me any issues.
I usually pick up the cheapest non-chromebook laptop I can find and put Linux on it.
There are a couple key advantages here:
It can be a bit tricky to find one with Ethernet and two SSDs is kinda exotic (especially because you could get two whole laptops for the cost of some NAS enclosures) but there are over 3000 different models under $300 on Amazon, I'm sure you can find something good.
The battery backup is a more of a liability than a benefit imo, will just turn into a spicy pillow eventually. Especially considering any power loss will hit your router/network too rendering the server's battery moot. The only thing a laptop battery really protects against is accidental temporary unplugging.
Not sure, the battery doesn't really get cycled, it doesn't get hot, I have a few which are going strong after 10+ years (the useful life of the hardware).
It's not a hypothetical for me.
Batteries are more problematic sitting at full charge than when they are empty. You're also paying money for features you don't use (battery, screen, keyboard) and have less ability to upgrade, repair, or add storage.
By all means if you have an old spare laptop lying around use it as a server, I usually take the battery out though.
Ok bro, you're wrong and laptops haven't come with removable batteries since before OP was born (probably).
Of course, I also took the lead acid batteries out of my ancient laptops before I e-wasted them and went down to the sock-hop and dinosaur ride.
Ok "bro" damn you're right and you sure showed my unc self! What an idiot I am!
Pick any laptop model you like and search for "how to remove battery" or look up the model on ifixit. Show me a single one where the battery cannot be removed. I'll wait.
Ask your local university about their overstock policy. The university of Arizona literally has a warehouse where you can peruse their old computers and furniture and buy at Craigslist prices.
Yeah I just posted the same thing. I work for a university and we send useful stuff to surplus all the time. I can verify several universities in my area do in fact have warehouses with stuff like this in them.
I use Intel NUCs off eBay for this kind of stuff. A few years ago you could get one for ~$200 on eBay.
Just about any of the Intel N series minipcs are often suggested for just Jellyfin. I haven't looked at them too much yet.
You can go far below $300 with very little practical performance compromise, but I wouldn't even look on Amazon with memory prices being what they are lately. Get an old DDR3 era Optiplex desktop on eBay, throw a $25 Quadro P400 in it for transcoding, and transfer your existing SSDs over. Tons of eBay listings have 2-4 day shipping. With DDR3 you can easily get 16GB of RAM for like $30 if it doesn't have enough already. Avoiding DDR4/DDR5 will save a ton of money so it's essential to buy used.
The SSDs and hard drives for the array are by far the most expensive part. I've been using an underclocked and undervolted Ryzen 1700 in my server for 6 years now and have zero complaints around CPU performance. I did eventually need more than 16GB of RAM last year, but the only outright failures I've had are on the various component's fans.
Thinkcentre Tiny, Dell Optiplex Micro, or HP ProDesk Mini. Prices have gone up the last few months but they’re still a solid value. Most sellers ship pretty quick these days.
Thats my setup. Second hand lenovo m900 tiny for 100€, nvme ssd 2tb for 200€. Running immich, navidrome, dawarich, opencloud without problems
Any used PC or laptop that can run Linux.
There are companies selling off PCs that are "too small" for Win11, really cheap. More than sufficient for a NAS. You might even get a bunch of them, chose the best mainboard/case/PSU set, put the others in storage, and get all the RAM and HDD in one box.
A mini PC could certainly work! If you're willing to go ebay, I'd recommend any of these Lenovo Thinkcentre SFF PCs:
1-2x m.2 slots, 1x 2.5" slot, and some can accommodate a half-height PCI-E card in place of the 2.5" slot. Presumably, you'd want to go Intel for QSV
Yissss I got a bunch of tinys for 50USD each. I5/16GB DDR4/256GB NVMe. They run home theater computers and Linux servers AMAZINGLY. I would have bought more if they had more available.
Wow, that's a great deal. I currently have two: one w/ a dual 1-gbe NIC for opnsense and another for proxmox
A refurbished Dell optiplex has been my move. Hasn't failed me yet.
Find something on craigslist or local pickup on ebay, check government/police surplus, or do some freecycling. At least in my area a lot of people leave their e-waste computers at Best Buy, often in the doorway, nobody cares if you come and pick them up. Even if they're broken (and they're often perfectly functional and sometimes surprisingly powerful) it likely only takes a few before you've got some functional combination of parts.
It's likely not as much of a picker's heaven anymore since I imagine the huge wave of windows-10-obsolete computers being thrown away for no reason has probably mostly subsided, but there is so much old and perfectly functional stuff out there it's really unjustifiable to be buying something new especially at today's modern prices.