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“HB 211 is a debt trap. It creates a population of people who are, by definition, unable to pay. And then converts that inability into a labor obligation,” Michael Ryan, a finance expert and founder of MichaelRyanMoney.com, told Newsweek. “The ‘streets to success’ framing is deliberate misdirection. No legitimate treatment program requires the patient to work off their bill under threat of incarceration."

I'm morbidly fascinated by how carefully this article avoids using the obvious term. But slavery. It's slavery. It is a bill that would literally, legally, enslave a population (of predominantly Black men, fucking surprise) for the "crime" of being poor.

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[–] 10thGlyphix@lemmy.zip 55 points 1 month ago (7 children)

That's just slavery with extra steps. But we already have for profit prison work camps. So I guess it's just a different flavor of slavery. Oh, and the ice "holding facilities" and "detention centers" because due process is only for white americans, aparently. They might start making them do labor also. You know, digging ditches and standing naked in front of them with a bulleye chest. That sort of thing. What happened to the whole world fighting against the one bad country?

[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 month ago

Just an ugly reminder that slavery wasn't actually outlawed in the US.

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[–] Lydon_Feen@lemmy.world 42 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 43 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] Lydon_Feen@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Yeah, I guess you're correct.

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[–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No this is still just capitalism. This was standard practice until the 1930s in the US and UK.

[–] backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 6 points 1 month ago

Among the many things that is failed to be taught in US schools is how much of the early colonial populations were the impoverished/mentally ill/unhoused of England that basically got exiled for pretty crimes in order to be shipped out and populate the colonies, or were offered passage in the hope of a better life but at a cost they could never payoff because the structure favored perpetual indentured servitude. It never goes away, they just figure out new ways to rig the system whenever one form of it becomes too difficult to maintain. The masses get the illusion of progress or change, but it’s the same game updated to match the sensibilities of the era.

[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 42 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Why do journalists mince words? If you are "coerced into unpaid labour" you are enslaved

[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

The media are owned and controlled by the ruling class - the same class of people who also own and control for-profit prisons, and also own and control elected politicians through lobbying.

As I always say, under capitalism, democracy means the power of the state is auctioned off to the highest bidder.

How does capitalism inevitably lead to fascism?

Basically, the issue with capitalism is that the more wealth you have, the easier it is for you to make more money. And since money can be used to buy goods, services and influence, there is always a way to use money to gain more political and social power. With that political and social power, you can push society and the legal system in the direction you want to go. So you can use your wealth to gain power, and then you can use your power to change laws and society so that you can make even more wealth and power. It’s a positive feedback loop.

Obviously, though, if the billionaires and ruling class are accumulating more and more of our society’s wealth, that inevitably means that there’s less for everyone else to go around - therefore, working class people feel poorer and poorer. Meanwhile, the economy is going absolutely great for rich people, so inflation continues to go up - everything gets more expensive, but wages don’t increase. The wealthy just keep more and more of the wealth for themselves. To accumulate more and more wealth, they change the laws so that they can avoid paying taxes, so public services collapse. Politicians are lobbied to ensure that public funds are diverted away from where it is most needed - housing, healthcare, transportation, infrastructure - and instead into industries where their class interests most benefit from it, such as weapons manufacturing and extractive industries such as fossil fuels and mining.

The working class are bound to notice that their lives are getting shittier and shittier, and if that situation is left unchecked, the working class would realize that the ruling class are fucking them over, rise up, and overthrow their rulers. Obviously, the ruling class need to do something about this, but there’s no solution that the ruling class can offer. They’re causing all of the problems, to fix them they’d have to give up some of their wealth and power - and that’s not something they’re going to do. So they need to find someone else to blame the problems we have in society on. Unfortunately, though, no matter who they blame the problems on, and no matter what they do to “fix” it, the issue will continue to persist, because the material conditions underlying the issues are, very intentionally, never addressed.

So, the conundrum returns: The ruling class said that minority A caused all of the problems, minority A is persecuted and oppressed, but society doesn’t actually get any better. Either the problem wasn’t minority A, or minority A just hasn’t been oppressed enough yet. So the ruling class can either escalate the oppression, or they can shift the focus to another minority group. The division continues to escalate in terms of how vitriolic and extreme it is, and it also continues to divide the working class into smaller and smaller groups.

To get the working class to buy into this hateful message, they need to take advantage of our worst instincts, and one of those instincts is the in-group bias. The majority are manipulated into being suspicious, then intolerant, then hateful, then violent, then genocidal, towards whatever the targeted minority of the day is. Anything that can be used to divide the working class - sexuality, nationality, immigration status, ethnicity, religion, sex, gender identity, age, all of these will be used as wedges to keep the working class split apart and not working together, because they know that if the working class actually unite against them, they are completely and truly fucked.

That’s exactly how fascism manifests. It’s because it’s possible for people to accumulate power through wealth. This is why capitalism must be abolished. If we do not abolish capitalism, fascism will always return. It’s just a matter of time.

But can't capitalism can be reformed?

While, of course, some laws to reform capitalism can be passed, and would definitely alleviate the worst harm caused, over the long term, capitalism cannot be reformed.

Any attempts to reform, democratize or socialize capitalism may yield short term improvements to quality of life of the working class, but if capitalism is not abolished, it will always reassert itself, and capitalism inevitably leads towards fascism.

The New Deal prevented the US from sliding into fascism in the 20th century, so that’s ultimately a good thing, but it did not go far enough, and that’s why we have the resurgence of fascism in the 21st century America.

[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah sorry that was a rhetorical question

[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My bad, I'm autistic and struggle to tell sometimes! Sorry for preaching to the converted :p

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[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 month ago

Because the media is not on our side and is actively trying to make this reality. The more they sane wash it, the better.

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[–] obinice@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Kinda weird that it's literally illegal there to take a little mid afternoon nap out in public, by the edge of a lake or under the shade in a nice park, etc.

Odd people.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

The word is evil. Evil people

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[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Unpaid labor?

You mean slavery?

[–] Uranus_Hz@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No you don’t understand, they are paid in room and board, therefore they are earning a “living wage”. Suck it libs!

/s

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

If we're going backwards in history, then I guess the next move is to count each one as only 3/5ths of a person.

Which sounds like a perfectly republican idea for "reducing" the prison population numbers.

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[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Kind of unrelated but I'm working on crossword and I could really use some help. Does anyone know a word for compulsory unpaid labor? Seven letters. Starts with an "S."

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[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh workhouses are back? Greaaaat

[–] D_C@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

“Are there no prisons?” asked Scrooge.
“Plenty of prisons,” said the gentleman.

“And the Union workhouses?” demanded Scrooge. “Are they still in operation?”
“They are. Still,” returned the gentleman, “I wish I could say they were not.”
“Many can’t go there; and many would rather die.”

“If they would rather die,” said Scrooge, “they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.”

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 10 points 1 month ago

Who would have thought we would be living in a techno Dickens world. Just without the neon.

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[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 20 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)
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[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Bell Riots when? We are long overdue

[–] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago

There is a little thing I heard about some in the US doing tomorrow, May Day Strike. Sure it is one day, but it's a start. Not from US but to show some solidarity I will not be using (within reason as I can't not use windows at work) any US tech tomorrow, no Youtube, no streaming on youtube, not even going to play any steam games, lucky for me this platform is not a US thing so will be here.

Your gov't is trying to bring on the riots, any riots, to cancel elections. Remember it is harder to control 20 groups of 1000 people than 1 group of 20000 people

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Louisiana is fast tracking classic American slavery

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hey, I called it!

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/19594178

They're just gonna revert back to the 'no one wants to work' mantra untill we just literally put our incarcerated prisoners to work in the fields, going full circle all the way back to slavery.

Oh boy do I just sure love being right about things like this...

holy shit this country is literally evil

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (4 children)

We already use a lot of incarcerated labor in "invisible" jobs. Whole industries rely on incarcerated labor.

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[–] certified_expert@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Back to 1866?

The Vagrancy Act of 1866, passed by the General Assembly on January 15, 1866, forced into employment, for a term of up to three months, any person who appeared to be unemployed or homeless. If so-called vagrants ran away and were recaptured, they would be forced to work for no compensation while wearing balls and chains. More formally known as the Act Providing for the Punishment of Vagrants, the law came shortly after the American Civil War (1861–1865), when hundreds of thousands of African Americans, many of them just freed from slavery, wandered in search of work and displaced family members.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I had "bring back slavery" on my bingo card. I just need 'nuclear holocaust' to win now. 🤞

[–] EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Bring back?

My random internet person, we enshrined it in our goddamn constitution. It never went away, we legalized it and constitutionally protected it in such a way that ensures it will never go away until the document on which it is written is burned along with the institution that created it.

There's never going to be anything 2/3 of states agree on enough to change the constitution for again. Divisive politics and complicit media make sure of that.

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[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 14 points 1 month ago

Hey look, it’s our future when we can no longer afford to live. They’ll make us into slaves.

[–] KelvarCherry@piefed.blahaj.zone 14 points 4 weeks ago

"indentured servitude", which is what this is, is slavery; especially when the costs are forced upon you. This was a common method of immigrating to the USA back in the, like, 1800s; but that debt was taken by willing people who had the option to walk away.

And the crime is sleeping. Jesus fucking Christ USAmerica has gone from a prison state to a torture state.

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 12 points 4 weeks ago

You mean the current prison system in the South, but expanded so that anyone without the ability to pay rent is a criminal? Yes, but call it slavery 3.0. The guys doing 20 years on chain gangs for pot possession would be slavery 2.0, which started basically as soon as OG slavery was made illegal. It's never gone away. Rebranded.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 11 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Doesn't the US have more and more failed states?

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 8 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Louisiana is already the actual worst in a lot of metrics.

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[–] Etterra@discuss.online 10 points 4 weeks ago

Louisiana: how can we make slavery even slaverier?

[–] Bluedragon012@lemmy.world 10 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

So we should arm the homeless then.

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[–] stickly@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] regedit@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 month ago

We can call it Redestruction!

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Ah, back to 17hundreds UK, which their forebears escaped from.

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 10 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Nah the pilgrims were their own brand of shit leaving multiple places they were perfectly welcome (including the UK itself) and allowed to practice their religion but kept leaving anyway because they weren't allowed to enforce their beliefs on others. This is the US going back to how it was founded.

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[–] Redvenom@retrolemmy.com 8 points 4 weeks ago

It's not a hard concept guys, slavery it's bad

[–] BygoneNeutrino@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I imagine this is mainly being pushed by the people of Baton Rouge and New Orleans. There's a bridge near the French Quarter where hundreds of homeless people congregate. People wouldn't mind, but the panhandling and open crack use looks bad in a city dependent of tourism.

The most interesting aspect of this area-in my opinion-is the army of 10 year olds selling crack on their bicycles. They keep it under their tongue and swallow it if they are robbed or stopped by a police officer.

...this is one of the least offensive aspects of this community. Between the lack of education and widespread acceptance of statutory rape, it's hard to understand how people could live like this. People from up north don't understand how bad it is. Forcefully removing these kids from their parents is probably the only way to break the cycle.

[–] sangriaferret@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I live in New Orleans. I pass by those homeless encampments all the time. They are largely separated from populated areas. No one I know cares that they are there.

This bill was written by a Republican from two towns over. That's who cares. New Orleans is the target of state Republican policies over and over. We are a den of sin filled with people of color, never mind that we fund just about everything in this otherwise miserable state

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[–] Gonzako@lemmy.world 7 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)
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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

If this passes, I'm going to organize a mass camp out on the LA congressional lawn. This is slavery, and history has shown that slavery can only be defeated by direct action. We camp until we'd be obligated to work, and then go on strike.

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 month ago

Ohh looky not enough prisons now, remind me, who pays for those?

[–] Yuccagnocchiyaki@lemmy.world 6 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Every chance they get, they prove they are NAZIs

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (3 children)

this is 19th century english shit

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[–] leagman1@feddit.org 6 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Y'all are so unbelievably mad over there.

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