"Mr. President (Vladimir Putin), we went to the polls, we voted for you, we believed in you. And for a while, we really were protected, everything was fine. But at some point, it all collapsed."

I was fine with you invading and pillaging and stealing children but now that there are consequences for all of us, I don't like it anymore!

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

Literally

[–] msage@programming.dev 1 points 2 weeks ago

What does this remind me of, I can't seem to remember.

Oh yeah, every fascist dictatorship ever.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I agree with you, that it's a pretty fucked up statement to make. However, I always try to view these from the perspective of these people. They want help. The best way to get this help is by saying they like Putin, so he should be doing more for them. It doesn't matter if it's true or not, you don't attack the only person who can help you.

I have no way to know what these people actually did or believed. I think they're bad people for not at least speaking out sooner. However, I also don't take their statement as purely honest. I don't ever think desperate people begging for help are honest. It's the same reason I don't trust admissions of guilt to police when police are effectively torturing and threatening people. They'll say anything to improve their situation, whether it's true or not.

[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 35 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Cry me a soot filled river

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 weeks ago

What like Spirited Away?

[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 31 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh no, if only something could be done to prevent this

[–] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Funny enough, this only works in a democracy, which Russia does not have. It always sucks if civilians are affected by war, no matter who the aggressor is

[–] Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I might be wrong, but I have been told that Russian army started to walk back home from the war in 1917 and then they told leaders that they have had enough of war. Could it be that easy? I mean, they have all the weapons after all?

[–] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Sure. Easy for you. Not easy for a brain dead person who was told over 2 years that they have to follow orders or they will end up in jail for at least 20 years.

I mean. Look at the US and how many soldiers do not kill Iranians, Venezuelans, Cubans, (…) and just walk back home.

[–] Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 weeks ago

Oh, I wasn’t there back then. On the other hand, you follow the orders and get killed by Ukrainians, or you get your comrades along and go back to home to kill your tzar once again. Chances are that you get killed by doing this or you could end this shitty war.

It’s the same thing with USA.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I seem to recall them trying something similar a few years ago. For some reason Prigozen(?) decided to believe Putin and The Kremlin and they promptly blew up his plane.

[–] Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 weeks ago

Yes they did, but it wasn’t very well done, I think Prigotzhin was chickening out and didn’t go all the way to the finish line. If you start the coup, you can’t just stop and act as nothing had happened, it’s a one way ticket and you have to know it.

[–] Tuuktuuk@piipitin.fi 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

@zr0 @rockerface

If you knew Russian and spoke with Russians, you'd understand they are supportive to this war. What they are angry about is *how* it's fought, but about the war itself.

As long as the war has their support, it will continue. And when they abandon their support, the Russia will leave Ukraine and the war will end.

[–] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago

That’s the result of successful propaganda unfortunately. And obviously heavily censoring everything coming from outside of Russia.

[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 3 points 2 weeks ago

I speak russian fluently, so, yes, I'm aware the majority of their population supports the war. Or, at least, the part that hasn't been imprisoned and disappeared for being against it.

They will continue blindly supporting the government until it actually affects them to the point they can't shift the blame onto the "evil West". They had already been suffering from the disastrous handling of russia's economy even before the full scale invasion, but the scapegoats are plentiful if your government controls all major media.

[–] 73ms@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

There are countless examples of the people doing something about it even when the tools provided by a democracy aren't available. I agree it's significantly more difficult, extremely so, but we shouldn't pretend it is completely out of the question. It isn't given enough desire by the people to do it.

Also a reason to fight for your democracy when you still have it ofc. The Russians had that option too but they didn't do it in time...

[–] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago

As long as I see a North Korea on the map, I know that you can successfully suppress your civilization forever.

You are obviously right, that it is not out of question, and I hope things like that happen rather sooner than later. But if we are realistic about this, chances of this happening are very low. Look at the US and what a government is able to do to its people and how much get tolerated. It is crazy.

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 15 points 2 weeks ago

[–] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It seems like a lot of people don't understand what attacking another nation entails. Is it the blind belief your country is so much superior nothing will touch you? The war always comes to your doorstep in some form. Sometimes it's economical collapse or terrorist attacks, sometimes it's bombing

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 weeks ago

the older i get the more i believe that war is only possible because instigation nations keep their people in the dark about what war is. they teach us in history class that WWI changed civilian attitudes about dying in glorious combat and changed forever the military's ability to recruit. out in the streets of an instigation nation, i don't see it

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

First the poor Israelis defending themselves from Palestinian aggression and now this. Sending my thoughts and prayers to Russia.

[–] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The Motherland would never give you up, son.

[–] Klear@quokk.au 1 points 2 weeks ago

The Motherland would never let you down, son.