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Is it still viable to use Signal for privacy in 2026? It's centralized, and has had many suspicious occurrences in the past.(Unopen source server code, careless whisper exploit which is still active as far as I know, and the whole mobile coin situation.)

Thoughts?

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[–] listless@lemmy.cringecollective.io 116 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The client is open source, so it doesn't matter what the server code is, you can see everything the client sends and therefore tell what possible data is being collected.

It's run by a non-profit so there's no shareholders to please.

Your messages and decryption key are not stored on their servers.

It's been independently audited.

They have publicly posted responses to user information requests where they only provide the account creation date and last access time.

The (admittedly incompetent) US government recommends using Signal (for non-classified information) and top officials have been caught using it (Houthi Working Group).

You can never be 100% sure, but it appears to have excellent security and privacy.

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 38 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

and top officials have been caught using it (Houthi Working Group).

For me this is the gold seal.

These guys desperately don't want records of their acts to become public record and they have the authority to outright ask US Intelligence 'Can you guys get access to this?' and the app they choose is Signal.

[–] whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And then proceed to invite a random journalist to their group 😅

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[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Not to mention the FBI admitted that the only data from Singal they get is when the account signed up and when they last connected and they are very unhappy about so little information.

[–] dogs0n@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago

And the phone number! But still not a crime to be using signal (yet).

[–] nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 37 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

A lot of people use Signal. It may not be the best solution out there, but it is so, so, so much better than the proprietary alternates.

One good thing is that a normie can easily use it as an alternative to WhatsApp, since the app design is so similar. I mean, it is easy for family and friends to understand and start using Signal, compared to something like Matrix or XMPP.

And if someone needs a little more hardening, they could use the fork called Molly, which has a few more security benefits over the stock app.

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Shit these are great features. I had never heard of it before.

Molly is an independent Signal fork for Android with improved features:

Fully FOSS Contains no proprietary blobs, unlike Signal

Encrypted Protects database with Passphrase Encryption

Multi-Device Pair multiple devices to a single account

Material You Extra theme that follows your device palette

UnifiedPush Ungoogled notification system

Automatic Locking When you are gone for a set period of time

RAM Shredding Securely shreds sensitive data

Tor Support Supports SOCKS proxy and Tor via Orbot

[–] uuj8za@piefed.social 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Ooh! And you can add an F-Droid repo!
https://molly.im/fdroid/

[–] moonshadow@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Sure I could just look this up, but: know if molly can restore from regular signal backups off the top of your head?

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[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes. You will find a lot of randos saying no, but the consensus among security professionals and researchers is that it is still the current standard. Not to say that it doesn't deserve scrutiny or criticism, or that other projects aren't important to develop.

[–] whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Also, will I be able to reach people with any alternatives? It's not like they'll all switch to the app I choose, or at least I'm not that popular for them to follow me anywhere, well... worse, I still have to open Messenger (FB/meta) from time to time to get in touch with some of them 🤮🤢

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[–] Zak@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Who do you want privacy from and why?

That's not a rhetorical question. It matters. If you want privacy from corporations and governments doing mass surveillance because you're against mass surveillance in principle, Signal is great! As long as you don't give janky apps permission to read your notifications, or you limit what Signal shows in its notifications, your device won't leak to those kinds of threat actors. You can't be sure everyone you talk to is as fastidious though.

If the cops, gangsters, or similar are likely to target you and the people you're talking to directly, there's a good chance just using Signal without a security plan won't keep them from getting the contents of the conversation as in this recent incident where the FBI extracted deleted messages from notification logs. To defend against that specific attack, everyone needs to configure Signal to keep message content and contact details out of the notification. Dedicated devices for secure communication set up by someone who knows what they're doing are ideal in this situation. Signal is still a good choice here, but Signal alone won't guarantee privacy.

If you're being targeted by an intelligence agency from a rich country that has allocated a significant budget to surveil you in particular, you're probably screwed. There's plenty of public information about how US government officials and contractors are required to work with classified information to get a sense of how you might try to mount a defense. It's guaranteed to be inconvenient.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

agreed and to add to this:

Dedicated devices for secure communication set up by someone who knows what they’re doing are ideal in this situation.

becoming your own expert is unfeasible for 99.999999999999999999999999999999999% of people and expecting it is no different than expecting people to become their own lawyer, dentist, or doctor.

If you’re being targeted by an intelligence agency from a rich country that has allocated a significant budget to surveil you in particular, you’re probably screwed

the bar against protecting yourself from the local police in the united states is MUCH lower than the cia, nsa, mossad, etc. and should be the goal of most projects since it's the most realistic and the most likely to happen; there's next to nothing that can be done against he alternatives.

the alternative is that unfeasible ultra high bar and judges in the united states have a history of holding people in jail for years for contempt of court of not providing passwords or using duress like options on their electronic equipment.

[–] airikr@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

If you don't care about sharing your phone number with Signal and a third-party company (Signal refuses to state what company it is) that send the text message with the activation code to you. And if you don't care that everything will be saved on servers maintained by Amazon in USA.

Then yes, Signal is the right app for you even in 2026.

But if you do care (ans you should) about your phone number and the location of your data, you should focus on something more privacy like XMPP (Snikket would be the easiest way to setup your own server) and SimpleX.

XMPP (for an example Snikket) uses OMEMO and OMEMO is based on Signal Protocol.

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[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 weeks ago (24 children)

PRODUCT PITCH: Hey everyone, I have a great idea for a secure / private messaging service.

It's hosted in the US, subject to its pervasive spying laws including national security letters.

Also I need all your phone numbers.

Also no you can't host this yourself, I run the only server.


Everyone who uses signal and supports it, is falling for this pitch.

Why not signal?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

One of the most sus things about Signal is the cult following it has. I really can't think of any other chat app that will have people coming out of the woodwork advocating for it while telling you not to use anything else. There's absolutely nothing special about Signal that would warrant this. It's at best a mediocre user experience, it still handles a lot of things like switching devices really poorly. It's open source in name only. There's just no reason why it should be this popular on its own merits.

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[–] IratePirate@feddit.org 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

While centralisation continues to be a problem (as the recent AWS outage has shown), Signal continues to be the a sufficient compromise between privacy and usability that a non-technical user will actually use.

That said, I'm making contingency plans to set up an alternative for close family in case the US goes full retard and makes it inaccessible.

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[–] BillMangionee@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 weeks ago

In my experience, the bigger issue is folks just completely ignore OPSEC once they get on signal.

The centralized component is pretty concerning. Imagine if protests like in Iran earlier this year were to occur in the States. The Feds would immediately seize or DDOS those servers during nationwide unrest, before cutting the internet which is basically an inside out panopticon.

EOD it depends on your threat model. You're probably not on Signal if your life depends on it anyway.

Plus, its always useful to not have my texts immediately read and sent to advertisers.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

The stories I've heard where Signal messages have been extracted or otherwise accessed was from beyond either end. Someone invited a journalist to a private group chat. Someone handed someone else an unlocked device. The most alarming one is apparently Apple uploads every push notification your device gets to their servers. So if you are concerned about privacy there's a feature in Signal to set push notifications to only say "you got a message" and not include the sender or message contents in the notification.

I haven't heard of Signal itself leaking messages.

[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 3 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

This is what people don't get when it comes to that story about the journalist. You literally have to go out of your way to invite someone into a group chat. That does not happen on accident on Signal.

I had to explain that to a few people who heard that story and were super skeptical about Signal being dangerous. Which is ironic because the same people would be using messenger and think nothing of it.

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[–] emotional_soup_88@programming.dev 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] alia@nord.pub 3 points 3 weeks ago

I wish this was available for iOS.

[–] zdhzm2pgp@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

You may want to read Why not Signal?, but I still use it.

@dessalines@lemmy.ml being as sharp as always, thank you for sharing this! I somehow missed that essay in the past, and recently even had a discussion where I argued in favor of signal. His overview makes some great points that shouldn't be dismissed offhandedly. The important point is to not make the mistake of shunning signal in favor of an even less secure alternative. Also the user's threat model should be taken into account. Those who aren't anticapitalists (yet) might need to worry less about the concerns.

[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 7 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

I think the text is somewhat dubious in its arguments, but this (and the arguments built on this assertion) is just plain wrong:

[Signals servers have] a few important pieces of data;

Message dates and times Message senders and recipients (via phone number identifiers)

Signal clients implement the Pond protocol. As a result, Signals servers know who a message is for (obviously, how else do you get the message) but cannot know who it is FROM.

I've been playing around with implementing a secure/private messenger demo for myself, and have been consistently impressed with how privacy preserving Signal is when reading their papers and code. I wish it was selfhostable, but apart from that, it's great.

The server would be NICE to be OSS, but ultimately, privacy breaches are prevented client/protocol side.

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[–] communism@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago

As per usual, the answer is "depends on your threat model". For a lot of sensitive communications, the centralised design and therefore ability to correlate metadata is a no-go. But if you're just using it e.g. as a WhatsApp replacement to message your friends, it's fine. It's still the most polished and normie-friendly e2ee foss messenger.

[–] autonomous@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Just remember that if you, or anyone you are talking to, has notifications turned on (in the app itself), that conversation is now outside of signal and a lot easier to get to.

[–] XTL@sopuli.xyz 14 points 3 weeks ago

Which is an everything problem, not a signal problem. Just in case it sounds like a signal problem.

[–] alia@nord.pub 7 points 3 weeks ago

This was recently kinda misrepresented in the media, in my opinion.

Yes, notifications can leave traces. But it’s traces on the device itself that can be forensically extracted. Though notifications are pushed through Apple’s/Google’s servers, the contents are encrypted end-to-end.

[–] bonenode@piefed.social 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Not if you set notifications to not show any content. Other than the sender, of course, which could be problematic depending who sends the message.

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[–] lemmy@monero.you 7 points 3 weeks ago

if you are super private person or want to be anonymous, maybe you can choose SimpleX.

[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

IMHO the question depends on :

  • who you are (boring, rando, political dissident, journalist, etc)
  • who you talk to (family, friends, work, etc)
  • what alternatives actually exist

So... sure Signal is not perfect but if you can't convince your family members to move to DeltaChat it sure beats using WhatsApp, Telegram, etc.

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[–] HulkSmashBurgers@reddthat.com 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I think for talking to friends and family it's fine I think.

If you're someone that would get more scrutiny from goverment organizations because of your activities (journalist, crime boss, sex worker, etc) you might want to use something more secure.

~~I have no idea what these more secure applications are.~~

Edit: Just did a quick search to see what i2p has for messaging:

I2P has messaging applications such as I2P-Messenger and I2P-Talk, which provide end-to-end encrypted communication without the need for servers. These applications allow for anonymous messaging and file transfers.

I2P-Messenger: A serverless, end-to-end encrypted instant messenger that allows users to chat anonymously. It does not log conversations, ensuring privacy. File transfer is also supported.

I2P-Talk: Another instant messaging application that provides similar security features as I2P-Messenger but is incompatible with it.

The above our super hardcore solutions that isn't neccesary for regular day to day messaging, but useful for more extreme cases. I've never used i2p or these two chat apps so I can't speak to how well they work.

[–] Unifier2661@lemmy.today 5 points 3 weeks ago

Signal for people I know IRL, Simplex for those I don't.

[–] alia@nord.pub 3 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I trust Signal and like it a lot, but I do wish they’d remove the stupid MobileCoin rubbish.

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[–] kahoodd@reddthat.com 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

And also have 0 friends 😅

Seriously, not a single real life person is going to use something like xmpp.

[–] erb013kt@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I use XMPP. Don't be hatin'.

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