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[–] woodenghost@hexbear.net 37 points 3 weeks ago

I literally had an intense discussion about this in real life and said the same thing. The victims and the perpetrators both agree that CIA and Mossad were trying to affect regime change. But westernern libs know better of course...

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 37 points 3 weeks ago

Just the normal leftist conspiracy theory proven correct as always, but this time it's a speedrun

[–] Ilixtze@lemmy.ml 32 points 3 weeks ago

Mossad agents: "60 gazillion protesters killed! We have to save them by killing everyone that's left!"

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 22 points 3 weeks ago

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Liberals are midwits at best, who knew? 🤷😅

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 26 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

TBF most of us used to be liberals, and we have no more wits now than we did then.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago

i sure don't and age is starting to make me forgot more often so i'll have less wit soon. lol

[–] Liketearsinrain@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago

Self reporting as "I would have fallen for the Iran propaganda" a year, two max ago.

[–] a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

At first I read Midwest and I was deeply curious what that even meant.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Trump and co. aren't even pretending, which is precisely what they campaigned for as "being authentic" and "telling it like it is". Liberals, on the other hand, are pretenders.

[+] Retail4068@lemmy.world -6 points 3 weeks ago

I mean they waited until a week after they rounded the everyone related to rebellion up and killed them.

Who did they think was left after the 1000+ executions?

[+] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml -8 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Strictly speaking, that headline and the articles I've read in the Western press, suggest the idea was to incite a rebellion by clearing a path. Meaning by weakening the regime and giving the protestors the opportunity to seize the government.

It doesn't suggest they were trying what they did in Afghanistan, finding all the incels and giving them money and guns.

[–] woodenghost@hexbear.net 18 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Trump literally said:

'We sent them a lot of guns. We sent them through the Kurds.'

And Netanjahu blamed Mossad as responsible for the failure of the protests to affect regime change.

[–] Juice@midwest.social 8 points 3 weeks ago

what they did in Afghanistan

And Iran in 1953

[+] menas@lemmy.wtf -22 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Marx : "the freedom of the workers will be accomplish by the workers themselves"
Workers fighting for freedom
Marxist : "It's CIA !"

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 36 points 3 weeks ago

Marx also railed against metaphysicians, who dogmatically try to apply one set of conditions to an entirely different context, ignoring the particularities. The concrete reality is that the CIA and Mossad were infesting and sparking the protests for the purposes of installing a reactionary monarchy. This isn't worker liberation, the class interests served are the imperialist bourgeoisie. Without a strong and unified working class, revolution cannot succeed, and so the better organized factions like Mossad and the CIA would be able to take advantage of this.

[–] Salomon@mander.xyz 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-said-frustrated-that-mossad-promises-of-iran-uprising-have-fallen-short

"We sent them a lot of guns. We sent them through the Kurds. And I think the Kurds kept them," Trump said.

"We sent guns to the protesters, a lot of them. And I think the Kurds took the guns," he added.

Sorry to break it to you bro, you're not getting that $7,000 💔

[+] menas@lemmy.wtf -16 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Did I say CIA, Mossad or other imperialist state were not involve ?

I pointed out that you couldn't pretend defending the working in class when denying its agency. The movement "jin, jîyan, azadî" started way before the US and Israel operations (2022); kurdish people are organizing for their freedom even before the 1st war of Irak, and one of the few example of real socialism (democratic confederalism).

Yep, the imperialist state try to use those movement; the responsibility of the revolutionary movement inside those imperialist state is to fight the imperialism of their own state, not saping the revolutionary movement in other state

[–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 20 points 3 weeks ago

US and Israeli operations within Iran are as old as the current government.

This is just my opinion, but as far as I understand it Iran can't quit the war unless it gives massive concessions to the people who bombed children and their leadership on the first day of the war DURING NEGOTIATIONS. You can't opt out of it because the US and Israel clearly won't accept anything less than neoliberal policy under a puppet regime, they certainly won't let a socialist government take power. So I believe the logical conclusion for socialists within Iran is to defend their country and people in a platform of national unity. Showing up in the defense of regular people is necessary for regular people to see that socialists actually care about them not dying.

[–] Salomon@mander.xyz 15 points 3 weeks ago

This thread is explicitly about imperialist backing in the recent protests, not just protests in general. We weren't talking about the kurdish conflict or anything, so it's weird for your original comment to mock people for correctly accusing heavy foreign involvement.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 weeks ago

I pointed out that you couldn’t pretend defending the working in class when denying its agency.

There’s no evidence of us denying the agency of the working class, but Western media have groomed you to believe it. Previously:

Citations Needed podcast: US Meddling, the Limits of 'Agency' Discourse and How Media Chooses Which 'Voices' To Center

We discuss the uses and misuses of liberal standpoint theory to promote US meddling, sanctions, and bombing. With guest Vincent Bevins.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

https://theintercept.com/2024/02/28/new-york-times-anat-schwartz-october-7/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationale_for_the_Iraq_War#Weapons_of_mass_destruction

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Libyan_rape_allegations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeonmi_Park

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 21 points 3 weeks ago

Lol sorry if reality is inconvenient for your bullshit

[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 weeks ago

Nothing is ever the CIA if you go by what liberals say

[+] dan@literature.cafe -27 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Communist are against the fascist religious tyranny in Iran. Speak for your self!

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 39 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You don't have to agree with the regime to know US/Israeli attempts to over throw it will be worse for the Iranian people. The external contradiction facing Iran must be overcome before the internal contradictions can be resolved. There is no social growth under imperial boots.

If you are claiming to be a communist then please apply material analysis

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If you oppose the Iranian government, do you think whatever replaces it will be better if Mossad and the CIA overthrow it?

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world -2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean, that's how we got here, so I guess doubling down will only take us to where we are, but with extra effort.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 weeks ago

The current government overthrew the US backed monarchy, so in a way it was caused by US intervention but indirectly.

[–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 weeks ago

What makes them fascist in your view?

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 weeks ago

[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago

2003: Communists are against fascist religious tyranny in Iraq!

2004: Communists are against fascist religious tyranny in Afghanistan!

2011:Communists are against fascist religious tyranny in Libya!

2015:Communists are against fascist religious tyranny in Syria!

2022:Communists are against fascist religious tyranny in Palestine, free Palestine from Hamas!

What does siding against the governments of these places mean? Oh right, in every case it means siding with the rapacious genocidal US empire. How interesting of you to leave that out, you Totally Real Communist you.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Who funded that regime coming into power?

[–] TransNeko@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

if you guessed America... you would be correct.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago

“Coming into power” is putting the cart before the horse. The odds of regime change don’t look good, and what would replace it hasn’t been decided. I doubt “crown prince” Reza Pahlavi is still a serious contender.

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