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A certain user whom I have codenamed ‘BulldogMuhammad’ explained the joke with this little nugget of wisdom:

Despite their many differences, the KPD (Communist Party) and SPD (Social Democratic Party) of Weimar-era Germany actually managed a very successful period of cooperation against the conservative capitalists and reactionary monarchists in the early-mid-1920s.

… which ended with the ascension of the dictator Stalin in the USSR, and his associated bootlicker Ernst Thalmann in the German KPD. Marching orders from Comrade Stalin were that the Social Democrats and Democratic Socialists in the SPD were ‘social fascists’, and in some vague way even worse than regular fascists, and the only cooperation possible with the SPD was contingent on the SPD’s complete submission to the Soviet Union’s- sorry, the Germany Communist Party’s- goals.

After several years of this stonewalling and street fighting, the KPD heroically ensured the fall of the SPD and Weimar Germany as a whole to the fucking Nazis, and Stalin began ordering his proxies to cooperate with the Nazi regime.

First of all, I have never seen any evidence to suggest that the KPD and the SPD ‘managed a very successful period of cooperation’ against anybody at any time. Precisely the opposite was true:

As can be seen, it was not simply the orders of the Communist International that spurred the KPD into opposing the SPD. The Party’s very birth came as a result of profound disagreements within the German left: disagreements that were not simply theoretical, but deeply political in the form of the more moderate elements of the SPD’s support for [the Twoth Reich’s] involvement in the First World War.

During the revolutionary period and the early Weimar Republic years, the KPD also experienced oppression and violence as a result of SPD actions. Historian Eve Rosenhaft notes that after the Weimar Republic was established, the radical left, including the KPD revolted, “demanding… socialist programmes… Freikorps and paramilitary police under Social Democratic administration put down the disturbances in two months of bloody fighting.”⁷

Historian Eric D. Weitz similarly notes that the SPD’s alliance with the police, the army, and the employers undermined its popular support, which redounded in part to the benefit of the KPD.”⁸ Of equal importance is Rosenhaft’s assessment that “the political division between the Communists and the Social Democrats that had emerged between 1917 and 1919 was reinforced by increasing divergences between the interests of different sections of the working class.”⁹

The wealthier, more skilled proletariat joined the SPD while semi‐skilled laborers became the rank‐and‐file members of the KPD. Thus, when one examines the later actions of the KPD’s declaration of the SPD as Social Fascists, one must understand that the reasoning did not suddenly develop as a result of the Comintern’s policy directives, but that the KPD had actually experienced oppression from the SPD. The KPD had evidence of the SPD working with the right and conceding fundamental goals of socialism, whereas it had yet to experience the far more brutal repression of the [Fascists].

(Emphasis added.)

Twoth of all, the KPD did not waste an enormous amount of time fighting social democrats, regardless of whatever the official party line might have been:

Historian Dirk Schumann largely concurs with Rosenhaft’s assessment of the KPD’s use of political violence, noting that “while Communists and Social Democrats hardly ever clashed in physical confrontations, both appeared on the scene as enemies of the right‐wing groups.”¹⁸ Thus, while the KPD leadership advocated opposition to the SPD and the [Fascists]. The reality on the streets, where political violence served as a potent form of expression for the proletariat, was that the left devoted its energies to fighting the right rather than each other.

Nevertheless, I have to admit: given that the Weimar Republic devoted far more energy to fighting the communists instead of the fascists, the KPD fighting the social democrats disproportionately is indeed a claim that is easy to take seriously.

It’s fine if you consider the Stalin administration to have been a disappointment overall, but the narrative that basically everything was going fine until Stalin had to come along and eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thereby letting sin into the world, is simply not useful. It also has the side effect of quietly exonerating the upper classes, as if they were a force of nature who can’t be blamed for anything. Then again, maybe that was BulldogMuhammad’s intention all along.

Imagine if somebody talked about other victims of colonialism this way. What would the world look like if everybody blamed Montezuma for the Spanish colonizers devastating Mesoamerica, perhaps with the excuse that Montezuma should have been nicer to his neighbours so that they wouldn’t collaborate with the colonisers? What sort of society would we have if everyone blamed Hendrik Witbooi for the Second Reich’s devastation of Namibia, or Omar Mukhtar for the Fascists trapping hundreds of thousands of his people in concentration camps? Is that the type of society wherein BulldogMuhammad and his ilk would prefer to live? I doubt it, but logically there is nothing preventing anti-Bolshevists from applying this same culpability not only to Stalin but also to Montezuma, Hendrik Witbooi, and Omar Mukhtar. All that anti-Bolshevists can do is put their feet down and say, ‘It stops here.’

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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm just waiting to hear any of the SPD stans to explain why they supported the German war effort in WWI and how that didn't expose them as a party of useless opportunists and class traitors.

Or to even acknowledge that the SPD supported WWI, because none of them know shit about history.

[–] hobata@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago

Wer hat uns verraten?

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 21 points 3 weeks ago

It aggravates me to such a degree that they cap off their smug dipshit wrongness with a total reversal of reality to make themselves the victim, while they literally play our the same red scare bullshit they're denying right now. Like they're flicking drops of piss at us while telling everyone they can "Don't trust those evil lying communists, they'll flick you with piss."

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 21 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Even ignoring all of it, SPD is a shitty neoliberal party now. :P

Are communists responsible for that too?

Yes, Stalin stopped at Berlin.

[–] Fossifoo@hexbear.net 14 points 3 weeks ago

It's quite the schism inside most social democrats (if they even remember being centrist and not only neoliberal) that they both try to co-opt early socialist and communist thinking and personalities like Rosa and then at the same time entirely deflect from the differences they had with them.and their (massive) involvement in the failure of supporting the workers against fascism.

So they end up forgetting everything but "Stalin bad" and entirely act like the only influence that could have made the SPD work with the Nazis was the USSR. They never did anything wrong. It was never their fault. Dang traitors.

[–] hobata@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Despite the wall of text, but wasn't it the other way around as in the picture?

[–] Blakey@hexbear.net 20 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Not sure what you're trying to say, but as I recall the KPD were happy to work with the SPD against the Nazis, but the SPD wouldn't work with the KPD unless the KPD (the communist party) abandoned communism. So it was the SPD that refused to unite with the KPD against Nazism, rather than the other way around. The image is backwards.

[–] Keld@hexbear.net 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The SPD leadership immediately began working with the right to suppress the left even before the transfer of power was complete, as the SPD and USPD aligned forces were pressuring the empire to hand over power to the SPD leadership, the SPD leadership were already disavowing and condemning the "soviets" that were their main support.
Then once they got into power they immediately cracked down on their left flank and allied themselves with the freikorps, the army and the political right wing to do so, a practise that continued until the republic ended.

The KPD originally mostly opposed the rising political right in Germany, but were very much created in response to, and filling the void left by, the SPD purging its own left and were not overly willing to work with the SPD. Éspecially not after the Comintern declared social democrats enemy #1 for a while there (A policy they later rescinded).

Neither party really wanted to work with each other. The KPD because the SPD kept murdering people and out of international solidarity, and the SPD because the only thing Friedrich Ebert hated more than a genuine social democrat was a communist.

It is not wrong to say that the KPD told the SPD to fuck off, what's dishonest is ignoring the timeline and the fact that the KPD were saying that in the middle of the SPD having supported sustained political violence against them and facilitated a total takeover of the state's capacity for violence by frothing right wing monsters for the explcit purpose of doing more political violence against the left.

[–] hobata@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] sexywheat@hexbear.net 12 points 3 weeks ago

:projection:

[–] Lowleekun@hexbear.net 12 points 3 weeks ago

Wer hat uns verraten? Sozialdemokraten!

I am going to celebrate their inevitable demise and congratulate them on their self defeat.

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 10 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I can't tell if you're making some joke I don't get or just calquing from another language, but in two places you say "twoth" instead of "second". If it's just a joke, then I apologize.

Anyway, yeah, the idea that Stalin caused the issues between the two parties is absurd and ahistorical to the point of demonstrating basically complete ignorance regarding the KPD's founding and prior history. It's also such a comically absurd misrepresentation that it seems to have allowed some other lovely nuggets go without remark:

Marching orders from Comrade Stalin were that the Social Democrats and Democratic Socialists in the SPD were ‘social fascists’, and in some vague way even worse than regular fascists . . .

Stalin began ordering his proxies to cooperate with the Nazi regime.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 8 points 3 weeks ago

I should've known the new red scare would take the form of SCP-edque collaborative internet fiction

[–] Keld@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago

ok but who posted this, in what context was this posted, and did it have any traction?

[–] acidic7_7@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago
[–] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Marc Uwe-Kling is very popular with these types of leftists, post this it them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vFL0QWxugI

[–] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 1 points 3 weeks ago

I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy: