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Israel’s Netanyahu led Trump and US into war with Iran despite deep White House concerns: report (www.independent.co.uk)

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[–] aramis87@fedia.io 28 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

The New York Times also reported that despite polling his top advisers, he often only heard “what he wanted to hear,” and his team wound up serving as an echo chamber for his gut instincts.

Vice President JD Vance was the most vocal in his opposition to the United States going to war with Iran, while CIA Director Jim Ratcliffe, Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Gen. Dan Caine, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warned Trump that Netanyahu had “oversold” him on what could be achieved by the bombing campaign, according to The New York Times.

None of them, though, except Vance, went as far as to say to the president that war was a “terrible idea,” according to the report. The vice president is said to have played a key role in negotiating a ceasefire between Iran and the U.S. as Trump threatened to wipe Iranian civilization off the map.

Honestly, this sounds both like Vance is trying to recover his image after those disastrous press conferences, and Team Vance trying to position themselves as "the more responsible alternative" in the impeachment stakes.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 15 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

None of them, though, except Vance, went as far as to say to the president that war was a “terrible idea,” according to the repor

So instead of using his Constitutionally granted powers to stop trump for further ruining the USA's global reputation, expending billions of US taxpayer dollars on a fool's errand, and the immense loss of life in Iran for a nation that did not attack us, Vance let it happen. Vance could have invoked the 25th Amendment:

"The 25th Amendment, Section 4, can be invoked by the Vice President and a majority of the Cabinet to declare a president 'unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office."

Instead Vance did nothing and watched people die and the USA be ruined.

[–] a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Lol. Vance is going to do the right thing?

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

No, but Vance is trying to paint himself as doing the right thing in this article.

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 8 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Vance didn't have a majority of the Cabinet.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Oh? Can you tell me how many Vance asked and who didn't support the action ?

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Name eight members of his Cabinet that you think would've voted to remove Trump.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world -3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

I don't need to. That's not my job. That's Vance's to protect our nation. The article says Rubio (Sec of State) was against the Iran war too, so that's one that shares his view on the Iran war. Its up to them to talk to other members of the Cabinet. Alternatively Vance can go to Congress and seek trump's removal through other Constitutional means. If he chooses not to, and it didn't look like he did, he's equally responsible for all of trumps crimes.

[–] Binturong@lemmy.ca 13 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Cool, but you see how that's still a deep condemnation of tRump and the Whitehouse admin for letting that happen right? There's no letting either of those greedy soulless criminals throw the other under the bus, they're both getting run over or justice isn't real. This also goes for politicans who have enabled this regime and the corrupt memebers of the US supreme court who made this all possible. This IS a rico case whether people want to admit it or not, the alternative is pretending like it was all this one guy and letting the Republicans slink into the shadows to play nice and bide their time for another 40 years. Prosecution and jail terms are the ONLY way to even pretend to still mantain a representative democracy and justice system.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 15 hours ago

"pretend" being the key word.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago

Lapdog when invited onto lap: "should I go up there?"

But he always does.

[–] SuperEars@lemmy.world 0 points 8 hours ago

JD Pence

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 15 hours ago

Bullshit. POTUS and Congress are ancient adults who probably told their own children, "just because Suzie did wrong doesn't make it ok for you to do wrong."

[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 1 points 12 hours ago

The New York Times supposedly did something? What's the occasion?