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The party wants a “Joe Rogan of the left” so they can focus on controlling one person to drag millions of people along into whatever fresh hell their billionaire donors are cooking up. Just like the Joe Rogan of the right.
I do not want there to be a Joe Rogan of the left.
The problem is that what they actually want is "Joe Rogan of the middle" and they already have that in the form of basically every single newscaster that isn't a magatard.
magaturd, please
Just like the preferred establishment candidates, they want an empty vessel with no political ideology they can fill with money and operate like a puppet to sheepdog for their own purposes.
Joe Rogan is a right wing manifestation. The left wing equivalent is some sort of group, not an individual. That's one of the fundamental differences between the two sides.
Well actually the party is composed of many different people, a variety of backgrounds, and many of them don't want a Joe Rogan of the left because they know that it's just b*******. But it's a cute idea to pretend that they do.
The party is deeply hostile to anything that questions capitalism and the status quo. They're shooting themselves in the foot, again, by wanting to push Hasan away as a messenger. He clearly appeals to a certain demographic under the left's umbrella.
I think this is a good take from the Sam Seder crew regarding how new media operates:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BACFyzIjehQ
Because of media fragmentation, two things. First, the vast majority of people do not know who Hasan Piker is. It's a big fragmented media landscape, so most people don't know who "everyone" else is in the media landscape. If you listen to Meidas Touch or Don Lemon, you probably have no clue who Hassan is.
Second.. People get whatever content they are going to get from whichever podcasts or news programs they like, and in general, they like the personality of the people they've developed trust in to give them the news or media analysis. People who know who Hassan is, they like him.
It's a form of positive selection bias. People like who they know and they know who they are because they like them. It's why they've come to know them.
The Hassan derangement syndrome thing is real and it brings no one to the table. It only serves to appease a small group of donors and only hurts the Democrats.
Amanda Litman (who runs the Run For Something organization) just wrote a nice piece about the Hassan vs Democrat Party conundrum:
(substack, I know, I know)
https://amandalitman.substack.com/p/build-a-bigger-tent-wait-no-not-like
I know who Cenk's nephew is. Not a fan of either one. Though Hasan is definitely better than his uncle. That's a low bar.
Hasan gets some pretty stupid ideas in his head. However more often than not he has absolutely found himself on the right side. And I will absolutely commend him and others for going to Cuba to deliver aid. Amid our fascist's manufactured fuel shortage.
He's certainly a character. I find him somewhat insufferable, at least in mannerisms, but it's probably because I'm older. Chewing into the microphone, eating on camera, China glazing, arguing with chat. But clearly as media and taste's have changed, enough people like Hasan enough to build him up as the bugfest leftwing content creator.
But if you want to know where things are going and what people believe, how they get to those beliefs, you gotta at least recognize them as a political agent. And I do like their focus on media analysis (similar to Majority Report in this regard). They aren't covering the news if the day, they are covering how the news if the day is presented. Same as watching Meidas Touch to get an idea for what that audience is thinking, or Jim Acosta for understanding that crowd, or Don Lemon or Sabby Sabs, or TYT or dropsite or zeteo and on and on. If you want to know what audiences are being exposed to you gotta go to where that exposure is happening and watch and listen.
And in that landscape, well, Hasan is kinda a gorilla. Just, no left of center anyone is putting up numbers like Hasan does; not even by 10x. Outside of billionaire funded astroturfed RW channels, no one else has the numbers.
Like it's not about if I like Hasan or not, like, if they are to my taste. It's about whose got the numbers then trying to understand why. And Hasan speaks to a pretty unrepresented coalition of people who are far from rightwing, and also, far from naively supportive of Democrats. And I think it's because they are willing to be say the quiet parts out loud, like "US deserved 9/11".
Like it’s not about if I like Hasan or not, like, if they are to my taste. It’s about whose got the numbers then trying to understand why. And Hasan speaks to a pretty unrepresented coalition of people who are far from rightwing, and also, far from naively supportive of Democrats. And I think it’s because they are willing to be say the quiet parts out loud, like “US deserved 9/11”.
He also taps into a demographic that the Dems have lost in the past - disillusioned young men.
agreed, they want a coalition sized vote without acknowledging any of the concerns having that size of a vote needs. Bunch of spoiled rich crooked babies who refuse to do the hard work of leading.. and then they repeatedly lose and try to blame everyone else for their lack of attention to the voters who dont feel represented.
The thing is the Democrats today are nowhere near the left, more like right center, while MAGA is far right.
Pretending Democrats wanted a Hasan Piker is a neat way to spin things.
Democrats never wanted Hasan. They are a liberal party, and Hasan is a staunch anti-liberal. Why pretend like he was ever wanted by them?
They never wanted Hasan, but they definitely wanted someone like Joe Rogan. I remember the talk around it as the 2024 presidential campaigns were really ramping up.
They don't want to be challenged. They want a cheerleader who will help rally people to vote for them without actually having to change their positions.
Democrats spent the last year asking where their Joe Rogan was.
I have never once heard anyone say that before reading it here. Rogan is an ill-informed person that uses his significant audience to spread misinformation and modern day mysticism against actual science while at the same time gives a platform to some truly horrible people.
Why on Earth would Democrats want that for themselves?
Democrats are on the hunt for their own Joe Rogan from May 2025
Democrats seeking to buy the 'next Joe Rogan' of the left after 2024 election defeat also May 2025
Could This 20-Year-Old Be One of the Democrats’ Bro Whisperers? from December 2024
Can Democrats win back podcasting? We asked 6 popular show hosts to weigh in from November 2024
Lowry: The Left can’t create a new Joe Rogan
It's definitely been a topic for a couple of years now.
Ask Gavin Newsome he seems like he loves bringing nazi and fucking hate mongers on his show.
Yeah they already have a Hasan Piker, his name is Hasan Piker
Democrats want a moron?
Democrats are shit but God what I wouldn't give for politics to no longer be a playground for twitch streamers, failed TV actors, retired sports stars and podcasters. Anyone with a mic and inflammatory hot takes can be a political force majeure without any risk, effort or leg work.
Even though they're both influencers, I respect the shit out of Kat Abughazaleh for the bare minimum fact that she's actually out there organizing and helping her community. Hassan can say similar stuff from his $2.7m mansion but that doesn't mean he deserves the same respect.