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I think this is a good take from the Sam Seder crew regarding how new media operates:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BACFyzIjehQ
Because of media fragmentation, two things. First, the vast majority of people do not know who Hasan Piker is. It's a big fragmented media landscape, so most people don't know who "everyone" else is in the media landscape. If you listen to Meidas Touch or Don Lemon, you probably have no clue who Hassan is.
Second.. People get whatever content they are going to get from whichever podcasts or news programs they like, and in general, they like the personality of the people they've developed trust in to give them the news or media analysis. People who know who Hassan is, they like him.
It's a form of positive selection bias. People like who they know and they know who they are because they like them. It's why they've come to know them.
The Hassan derangement syndrome thing is real and it brings no one to the table. It only serves to appease a small group of donors and only hurts the Democrats.
Amanda Litman (who runs the Run For Something organization) just wrote a nice piece about the Hassan vs Democrat Party conundrum:
(substack, I know, I know)
https://amandalitman.substack.com/p/build-a-bigger-tent-wait-no-not-like
This was a great read, thanks for sharing.
Oh that will be fun. Thanks .
I know who Cenk's nephew is. Not a fan of either one. Though Hasan is definitely better than his uncle. That's a low bar.
Hasan gets some pretty stupid ideas in his head. However more often than not he has absolutely found himself on the right side. And I will absolutely commend him and others for going to Cuba to deliver aid. Amid our fascist's manufactured fuel shortage.
He's certainly a character. I find him somewhat insufferable, at least in mannerisms, but it's probably because I'm older. Chewing into the microphone, eating on camera, China glazing, arguing with chat. But clearly as media and taste's have changed, enough people like Hasan enough to build him up as the bugfest leftwing content creator.
But if you want to know where things are going and what people believe, how they get to those beliefs, you gotta at least recognize them as a political agent. And I do like their focus on media analysis (similar to Majority Report in this regard). They aren't covering the news if the day, they are covering how the news if the day is presented. Same as watching Meidas Touch to get an idea for what that audience is thinking, or Jim Acosta for understanding that crowd, or Don Lemon or Sabby Sabs, or TYT or dropsite or zeteo and on and on. If you want to know what audiences are being exposed to you gotta go to where that exposure is happening and watch and listen.
And in that landscape, well, Hasan is kinda a gorilla. Just, no left of center anyone is putting up numbers like Hasan does; not even by 10x. Outside of billionaire funded astroturfed RW channels, no one else has the numbers.
Like it's not about if I like Hasan or not, like, if they are to my taste. It's about whose got the numbers then trying to understand why. And Hasan speaks to a pretty unrepresented coalition of people who are far from rightwing, and also, far from naively supportive of Democrats. And I think it's because they are willing to be say the quiet parts out loud, like "US deserved 9/11".
He also taps into a demographic that the Dems have lost in the past - disillusioned young men.
The important part, though, is that establishment democrats and the consultant class over-value the type of media that participates in this derangement.
So we'll (again) end up with a democratic establishment that turns their shoulder to leftist independent creators and they will (again) lose and blame those same people
Well said!
Bad dog. No barking.
Put your shock collar back on and sit in place quietly like a good Hasan fan, @TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world.
Oh Jesus, this bullshit from Destiny and Saltman has permeated here as well? Gross.
I have no idea who those other streamers are. But I’ve watched several hours of Hasan on his own merit, and that fella is a trog all the way through: the Rogan/Asmongold comparisons are right on the money.
Now sit in your place.
You’ve completely lapped up their disinformation campaign while remaining ignorant of their existence then. Almost impressive.
I just refreshed my memory from the KYM dogtober page and both those people are mentioned once, offhand. What else would I know them from?
I did see a video of Hasan dragging his other dog by the tail and yanking it around. Did those other streamers make him do that?
Ethan Klein, Destiny, and Dan Saltman all have a hard on to take Hasan down and collaborate on how to do so frequently. They're obsessed.
You have fallen for a disinformation campaign.
My dude, you’ve fallen for a cult of personality.
Being knowledgeable about who Hasan is is not the same as falling for a cult of personality, but nice try lol
So you're denying he shocks his dog to keep him in place for the camera?
Hasan is a giant piece of shit. Period.
You clearly have never watched his streams, so it's very easy to dismiss your claims on this.
You're more than welcome to continue to try to spread rumors about Hasan and "take him down", but he's part of the political landscape, he's a voice on the left that is sorely lacking for quite a large demographic, and he is an influential pundit whether you like it or not.
You're right, of course.
He never tortured his dog for streaming aesthetics, except for all the times it was captured live on video.
Oh, how I wish idiocy was a Maga exclusive.
Hasan is popular with the left.
Deal with it.
I know he is. I'm just saying he's not a good guy.
He's a dog abuser, poser, caviar leftist.
I'm sure there are far better people on the left.
Yeah he is popular with the left, but he is also a dog abuser. Are you turning a blind eye because he is leftist?
I’m turning a blind eye to rumors that originated from degenerates like Destiny and Ethan Klein in a desperate attempt to “cancel” Hasan.
If you want to believe those losers, I’m not going to stand in your way lol
Why is it a rumor? The evidence is there to see with your own eyes, no need to believe people like Destiny or Ethan Klein, you can literally look it up and verify it yourself. I don't like any of those guys, but saying Hasan ain't a dog abuser is literally turning a blind eye, because you don't want it to be true.
Where tf do you think the rumor came from? It was a video of Kaya catching her dew claw on her bed and people like Ethan Klein and Destiny looking for anything to discredit Hasan. It’s verifiable that she is treated well and is allowed free rein of the house.
Again, if you want to believe these losers over hours and hours of actual streaming evidence that Hasan takes care of his dog, so be it.
It’s not like he killed his dog by over feeding it cheese and leaving adderall out for it to eat.
As I said before I don't care about pathetic losers that do political streaming like Ethan Klein or Destiny. Don't know why you need to keep pressing on that matter.
There's clips of him grabbing a dog by it's tail. Like who the fuck does that to a dog? There was also a clip of him literally admitting he owns a shock collar when he had his previous dog and that those are extremely effective. Ofc he said he doesn't use them on that dog, but why own one then?
For me the grabbing the dog by it's tail is already enough dog abuse to call him that. Never seen a normal loving owner do that to a dog.
https://arazu.io/t3_1o1ay9x/?timeframe=all&category=hot
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NKGOY0dVKAI
There’s not a single person who hasn’t done dumb shit in their youth and would’ve regretted having it filmed.
Digging up videos from a decade ago to smear someone who is a strong voice on the left and actively helping hold Democrats accountable to their base sure is something you can fall for from a literal pedophile and a guy who killed his dog with cheese and adderall.
Because apparently those voices are more credible than the evidence of how well Hasan treats his animals now.
Congrats you got played by a pedophile and a Zionist.
Yeah whatever, I see what my eyes see. But hey you just keep on defending a millionaire living a luxurious capitalist lifestyle who says he's against it so he can keep funneling money from idiots like you, like all the rest of these dumbass streamers, you keep on blabbering abou, that add nothing to society.
Your only comments on this account are about Hasan lol keep up the good work.
Because I usually never comment anywhere, unless I see a dumbass comment
A video exists of Hasan Piker pulling his dog Fish back hard by the tail while saying if the dog moves he will "literally kill him". I've seen it. Anyone who can treat animals like that is rotten inside. His followers who can ignore shit like that either don't care how he treats animals or have put their head in the sand about it.
It's ok to admit you like Hasan Piker and his message more than you care that he has abused animals on film. It's silly and cultish to pretend anyone who has also seen these things with their own eyes is a fan of some other also piece of shit steamer. These people are all pieces of shit.
Your lives are bookended by assholes.
Haha IKR how could you have seen hasan even briefly and not know who destiny is?
All they talk about is eachother lol
Oh I'm sure there's plenty of people who know Hasan exists without ever realizing who Destiny is and I love that for him.
I'm sure it chaps little Stevie's ass every time.
Its insufferable. There is no thing I could possibly care less about than the navel gazing drama internal to a particular social media platform.
Just wanted to note that I've been enjoying your contributions lately. I perk up when I see TropicalDingDong has entered the conversation :)
same here! Theres a couple commenters on here that consistently make the points I wish I could make as effectively.