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[–] robocall@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Do people look at a sign that says "no bigots allowed" and recognize the sign is about them?

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I mean, the issue is that you're starting with the premise that some people need to be banned. And here's the thing - the biggest turn off to potential good members to your organization is negativity. Starting with "no bigots allowed" tells your prospective members that bigots commonly want to join your organization. The only people you will attract will be people who believe they need official organizational policies to protect themselves from bigots - ie, people who are huge, pessimistic downers all the time. It will fill your organization with people who are constantly looking for ways that others are insulting, demeaning, or dismissing them - which results in an organization that is highly judgemental, high strung, and unwelcoming.

Instead, successful organizations don't start with (much less advertise) "no bigots allowed". They also almost never start with "all are welcome here", since this implies the negative thought that anyone might not be welcome. Instead, they lead with the point of their organization. The Springfield Pickup Ultimate Frisbee Club doesn't start their pitch with "No bigots allowed". They start with "we play pickup ultimate frisbee in the park on Tuesdays at 6pm, it's lots of fun!" Maybe with the addendum "all skill levels welcome!"

Of course, this doesn't mean that bigots are welcome at the Springfield Pickup Ultimate Frisbee Club. It just means that when someone shows up and starts calling people the n word, they are politely but firmly asked to leave and not return, and then everyone else goes back to playing frisbee, and then talks about what a shithead that guy was and forgets about it.

That's how successful, welcoming organizations function - everyone is welcome to show up, and everyone is assumed to be a nice person. But they have standards, and they remove people who don't meet those standards.

[–] Pricklesthemagicfish@reddthat.com 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Whats wrong with calling people nice?

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

lol. Took me a second

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

the biggest turn off to potential good members to your organization is *negativity

"These kinds of people are going to hell"

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Something something Wendy's 

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I dream of a world where everyone expects to hear a stump speach when they go to Wendy's!

[–] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 month ago

Not a teen, but when I see that group I know they've been victimized and are probably on guard against people infiltrating so they can be shitty in the chat.

And I'm just not very good at signaling that I want to be friends, not be shitty in the chat.

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 4 points 1 month ago
[–] Fleur_@aussie.zone 3 points 1 month ago

I'm walking through whichever door doesn't ban me for calling someone stupid

[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Social orgs

Is this supposed to mean smaller social media?

[–] s@piefed.world 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I see the “All are welcome here” at churches and very liberal businesses and “social orgs” was the most generic term I could come up with for churches, clubs, etc.

[–] Xoriff@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That's an interesting point. Makes me curious to see what would happen if I attended one of these churches in the gayest getup imaginable. Put your money where your mouth is. Am I welcome or not?

[–] Hiro8811@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Ooh pulling out the Sunday best you naughty ;)

[–] s@piefed.world 1 points 1 month ago

I was thinking a very large group attending in attire specific to a different religion would also be very interesting.

Side note: I always interpret “All are welcome here” to mean “All are welcome here so long as you abide by and conform to the dogma and characteristics of this in-group” in those cases.

[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 1 points 1 month ago

Thanks for clarifying. I don't come in contact with the church types of social orgs at all.
Those I do come in contact with are usually pretty open.
From observations at these I'd say the problem with "No bigots allowed" is that most people are pretty nice and only a little bigoted in some respects. Also, bigotry comes in many shapes. People often are bigoted specifically about the things that made them come together in the first place. The real deciding factor is how they react if this is pointed out to them (in a non-bigoted way).

I was thinking IRL clubs