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Context: in classical Greece, Sparta built a hegemony based on its military power that was formed around a core of professional hoplites, which was rare at the time as most military campaigns were fought by part time soldiers who were mainly farmers, handymen, etc.
This hegemony was broken when in Thebes the Sacred Band of Thebes was formed, consisting of 150 gay couples who became professional soldiers, too. These 300 (coincidence? Idk, but I find it funny) elite warriors were instrumental in two major defeats an outnumbered thebian army handed to Spartans who encountered another professional military for the first time.
The Sacred Band being made up of gay couples was intentional, as the idea behind it was that men would fight harder for and with other men they had a strong bond with and there was no stronger bond than love.

Idolizing spartan warrior culture is widespread among "alpha males" and the manosphere. Another funny irony that followers and propagators of such a homophobic idiology idolize a culture that was defeated by an explicitly gay warrior unit.

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[–] Bieren@lemmy.today 5 points 17 hours ago

Like they would accept historical facts and not the bullshit they make up on the spot.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 3 points 17 hours ago
[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 3 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

I am totally out of the loop on the manosphere but do they really adore spartans? I think they adore the americanized movie version, sure, but do they like actually learn from real Spartan history because there would be truly a lot of homosexuality involved then

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

Of course they're talking about not only the American version, but even that twisted to fit their own ideals.

[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 1 points 18 hours ago

I bet Epstein and his followers, loved Spartans... Oh wait, they do....

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 2 points 17 hours ago

As always, the alpha got mogged by a figglebottom

[–] BillyClark@piefed.social 46 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If Andrew Tate is such a tough guy, why is he so focused on women? A real alpha male would go after strong men, not like those pussy loving straight guys.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

Wait until they find out about the Spartans.

OH DEAR

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 28 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The Spartans were also gay.

[–] DarkDinner@quokk.au 22 points 1 day ago

And practiced child rape as a core part of their social structure... Same as Americans.

[–] KingGimpicus@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Well its not gay if youre on top, according to sources at the time. Giving a fucking was manly, but taking a fucking was feminine.

[–] nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] KingGimpicus@sh.itjust.works 4 points 21 hours ago

Rome came much later.

The mindset is actually still alive today. A lot of central and south american countries still have this mindset due to Portuguese and Spanish influence over the centuries. I watched a documentary years back talking about the history and origins of machismo in Latin culture.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

all that tradition, destroyed by one innovation:

THE POWER BOTTOM

[–] areakode@riskeratspizza.com 16 points 1 day ago

He hates women so much, he's turning gay...

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Didnt the Spartans famously practice homosexuality as a way of strengthening bonds between soldiers? The reasoning being that you'd fight extra hard for the guy next to you if you were lovers.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 2 points 22 hours ago

They, and ancient Greek soldiers in general, also took young boys "under their wings" oh and had sex with them. Because humanity is deeply, horribly fucked up.

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, I know. I put those words there.

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

"ALPHA MALES" WHEN WHEN THEY'RE TOLD THEIR FANTASY SPARTAN ROLEMODELS WHERE DEFEATED BY A UNIT OF ELITE GAY WARRIORS

[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's a boomer inspired meme that is now viral. They think it's funny. Ignore it.

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

well, explaining jokes makes them more funny

so maybe they’ll appreciate me pointing this
this out

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yes I know. I put that meme in there on purpose.

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

mission accomplished

[–] SnowmenMelt@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So why ? the comment that noticed it?

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de -2 points 1 day ago

I wasn't sure they got the meme or thought this was an accident and I didn't want to be too in the nose, so I wanted to drag this out a little to be sure.

[–] Jerb322@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes, the Sacred Band of Thebes was a military unit.

[–] Jerb322@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago
[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

What's manlier then two men? Besides increasing multiples of men, of course.

[–] blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Where defeated?

There, defeated! There, castle!

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 day ago

Dang, missed that.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago

There is more:

by Plutarch's account, this included sexual violence by hēbōntes against paides,[2] while Xenophon says the relationships were widely but wrongly considered to be sexual.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agoge

[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

The Spartans were all gay or bi too.

[–] definitely_AI@feddit.online -5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

HERE'S MY JOKE WHAT YOU THINK, GUYS?!

Here's me explaining my joke in detail so you chuds get it:

[–] livingsimnpc@lemmy.today 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Biblical gay men if you prefer

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What's biblical about gay lovers/couples from the fourth century BCE, four hundred years before the christianisation of Greece even began?

[–] livingsimnpc@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Was making a joke on after you said sacred, should i remove it, i did thibk it was not that obvious when posting too, but did it anyway

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 day ago

Nah, don't remove it. It's a joke that didn't land, that happens and it's fine. I'm happy you got an additional laugh out of this.