this post was submitted on 09 Mar 2026
30 points (96.9% liked)

DeGoogle Yourself

16039 readers
370 users here now

A community for those that would like to get away from Google.

Here you may post anything related to DeGoogling, why we should do it or good software alternatives!

Rules

  1. Be respectful even in disagreement

  2. No advertising unless it is very relevent and justified. Do not do this excessively.

  3. No low value posts / memes. We or you need to learn, or discuss something.

Related communities

!privacyguides@lemmy.one !privacy@lemmy.ml !privatelife@lemmy.ml !linuxphones@lemmy.ml !fossdroid@social.fossware.space !fdroid@lemmy.ml

founded 6 years ago
MODERATORS
 

I'm looking into dumping googlified android with the upcoming lockdowns.

I'm a beginner-intermediate with FOSS tech: I use Ubuntu as my main machine at home, and have Lineage on a couple of old phones that I use for things at home. I use Fdroid a lot, and have things like newpipe as well on my basic Chinese handset, along with google services.

I can't really handle bleeding edge things very well, and I'm aware that even stock android isn't perfect. Just looking for options/advice.

I understand some banking apps etc will be difficult to run outside of google, and this is something that will be tough, but I'm prepping for it.

Graphene seems to be the most popular, but at this stage my understanding is it only works on Pixel phones. I'm also aware of fairphone. I know that lineage is supported on some Oneplus phones, but I don't know how safe/secure that might be.

I know that most things aren't really 'secure' in the sense that companies all snoop, but I'm thinking about things like banking or NFC payment, which I sometimes do use.

Any advice would be helpful, even if it's just confirming that the price of escaping google might be giving up a lot of this functionality right now....

Thanks in advance!

top 19 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] LLMhater1312@piefed.social 0 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah graphene is only on pixels because of the security standards of the pixel but this will change with the new motorola partnership with graphene

My advice is always to get a new email account first and forward your old email to it. And use the new email for any new sign ups. Mayfirst.org is a cool low cost community of tech people that includes several google alterbatives including email service, cloud based office suites and jitsi (zoom alternative)

I'm at the point where I've gone back and changed my old account emails and archived my old gmail account but that can be done later, gotta triage first!

[–] eternauta@lemmy.ml 1 points 14 hours ago

Thanks for the suggestion, mayfirst looks pretty cool

[–] non_burglar@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Do it in stages by shifting services one at a time from a google phone to a non-google device.

(In my experience):

Easy: pics, docs Intermediate: calendar, contacts, maps solution Most difficult: email

I've been trying to de-google for more than 5 years, and email is the surprise for me. It's quite incredible how deeply interacted google and apple have made us. Once that's done, google account will be terminated.

[–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Interesting I'm curious what your experience has been with email. I technically still have a gmail that I just let my spam go to and access through Thunderbird, but tuta has served me very well so far for email

Understanding how your usecase or needs may be different from mine would be helpful for when I give advice to folks I know, cause I've thought of email as not being too bad

[–] non_burglar@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

There's a legacy of things tied to the email account, but also auth.

However, convincing the elderly contacts that I have a new email address is harder than I thought.

[–] Nednarb44@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I'm not the commenter, but I would guess that since gmail has been a thing forever, a ton of online accounts are tied to those emails, so it's harder that just switching emails for communication. That's my issue right now.

[–] turbofan211@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Sounds like you already know what you have to do, you just have to do it.

In my own de-googling I've learned the more you de-google, the more perceived "conveniences" you have to give up. Unfortunately, there really aren't a lot of all in one NFC payment solutions on F-Droid/Foss.

LineageOS is good enough for privacy/security assuming you practice good digital hygiene. Its kind of a double edged sword there.

A cool bonus with foss apps and OSes, is generally, their software are more optimized and not resource hungry. Meaning, you can run older devices without any issue. You could probably find an older pixel and run Graphene on it no problem.

If you want to completely de-google, you have to leave their walled garden behind. There isn't really a one leg in, one leg out solution.

It'll be awkward and frustrating for a couple of months but then you'll never go back.

[–] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yup, GrapheneOS only on Pixels for now, Motorola sometime in the next year-ish. Banking apps may or may not work in a fully degoogled state (gOS lets you install and uninstall Play Store / Services, by fully degoogled I mean uninstalled) or even with Play Store active, it's hit or miss by cases, but you can use a bank website just fine. Same with NFC (but I just put a credit card in my phone case for most of that use case). Google Pay does not work to the best of my knowledge, but we're trying to degoogle...

You can set up a main fully degoogled user and a second user with Google Play where pretty much everything works fine (except some banking stuff as mentioned) while you find google free replacements for your main. You can install many Play store apps in main via Aurora store, and then revoke their network permission so the don't phone home / show ads. You can also install many paid apps in your degoogled main by installing Play, installing the apps and then uninstalling Play Store. E.g. Poweramp and MoonReader work for me but Tasker has some draconian verification BS going on and I decided to give up on it and use a combination of Automation and Termux.

All up not really that bad for me.

[–] eternauta@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

Credit card in phone case is actually a nice idea (and somewhat obvious in hindsight)for the NFC thing, thanks!

[–] Auster@thebrainbin.org 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What I do is to have an old phone just for banking and other stuff that requires Google's direct validation. Usually that solves the need of having Google Play services or MicroG installed on my phone, at most requiring Aurora Store, though that I barely used it in the past ~6 months.

Cutting freedom at the source, in development, though, is far more complex to deal with. I remember when I was in programming university I tried looking for means for making apps without Google, but they're rather manual, way too unpolished in comparison to what Google offers.

[–] eternauta@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, I kind of have the reverse now. My old but still pretty good phones with lineage at home, the cheap Google phone to carry. Unfortunately my work requires WhatsApp which is annoying.

Thinking about maybe lineage on a oneplus phone at this point...

[–] Auster@thebrainbin.org 1 points 2 days ago

From experience (also because of work), for better or worse, I can confirm at least Whatsapp works on degoogled phones.

And if Whatsapp is part of critical infraestructures for you, and now looking at your username too, I have a guess as to where you're from. And if I'm right, for banking on degoogled phones, Mercado Pago was the only one I found that works from the ones I have accounts on. Just, they pester about Google Play services missing, and not sure if camera not working for Pix QR codes is a me problem, or an "intended feature".

[–] Eirikr70@jlai.lu 2 points 2 days ago

I recommend GrapheneOS on a 2nd hand/refurbished mobile. Most banking apps run fine (provided you installed Google Play). It is very clean and secure.

[–] moroninahurry@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What's wrong with using the banks website? I think you are describing using bank apps, no?

[–] eternauta@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes it's the apps. I probably could use the website as a workaround.

[–] moroninahurry@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago

Waterfox is an awesome replacement for Firefox on Android that strips out most of the built-in tracking, and it also gives you full access to all Firefox extensions.

[–] glitching@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Imma be the problemXY guy - how often do you need to interact with your bank that you need to carry that attack vector always on your person? you managed to live without that thing for a huge percentage of your life, maybe try limiting your exposure. if that works out, your options for a degoogled life rise dramatically.

get a used supported device that ain't a pixel, if you haven't already got one lying around and carry it in parallel - you still got all your shit on your main device and you have the luxury of offloading one by one use case onto the new device without downtime.

maybe you'll make do with just bare lineageOS. maybe you'll need the intermediate step - lineageOS with microG which implements a subset of play services.

hopefully, in the process you'll throw out a buncha consumerism shit you don't actually need. good luck.

[–] moroninahurry@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Throwing your old non-AI tech away isn't going to save the planet. It's going to remove options of what you can do to get around surveillance in the future. And contribute to landfills.

Throwing your shit out that you brought is the core tennet of consumerism.

No, keep the shit you bought and keep it well.

[–] gila@hexbear.net 1 points 2 days ago

Lineage is privacy focused, not security focused (other than security through obscurity etc). Graphene is more secure but may require tinkering for NFC payment / banking. Graphene is partnering with Motorola for their new phones, but old/current Motorola phones won't be compatible. IMO best bet for daily driver is a used/refurb older pixel or pixel A, like pixel 6a or pixel 7a are sub-$200 even brand new sometimes. e/os is another option but I haven't used it (don't have compatible device) so can't comment on it.