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I hope everyone who wants to be on permanent DST experiences an eternity of the first day of spring forward, never rested again

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[–] Etterra@discuss.online 8 points 10 hours ago

Oh my state passed a law abolishing it but the federal government stopped it. You want to know why? You want to know the stupid reason why the federal government won't abolish daylight savings? Because polling indicates that half of the people want it gone forever and everybody else wants it there forever.

They literally can't decide whether to always have the clock one way or the other, so we get to split the difference. I don't fucking care. Just pick one and stick with it. Everybody has electric lights anyway, it's the 21st century, we need to move on from this 1700s bullshit.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Daylight Saving Time (not Savings). Most people get this wrong and I'm not sure why.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Intentionally, to bother people who are persnicks about it

[–] A7thStone@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

I do that alot.

[–] e0qdk@reddthat.com 35 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

I don't care which way they go. Hell, split the difference and move us to a 30 minute offset if you can't make up your minds. Just stop changing the bloody clocks twice a year. Please!

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

No! Split the difference the other way! Make us jump two hours! Show us all how detrimental daylight savings is! Burn motherfucking greenwich to the ground! Or at least let me get some sleep!

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 hours ago

EXACTLY what I always say.

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 7 points 16 hours ago

This is the way.

Step one: agree that fucking with the clocks is really stupid and codify it into law

Step two: start arguing about which time zone is the “right one”

If you try to do both at the same time, step two prevents both

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

If only there was a standard.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 21 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Great, with scientific evidence backing this we are fucked for ever getting this changed. What we really need is a rising passively racist influencer to get behind the idea to get any support in 2026.

[–] afromustache@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

Better yet hopefully we can get a child rapist or two to support ending dst then Trump will mandate it via executive order

Yep, we'll probably increase it to 6x a year in retaliation for those eggheads trying to tell us what to do. That'll show'em.

[–] zikzak025@lemmy.world 52 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (20 children)

Daylight Saving Time just needs to be completely eradicated, it makes no sense in the modern day. The problem is that you have this disagreement over "which" time should be the default, either standard time or daylight time (which Canada/the US spend more of the year in than not).

IMO it should just be standard time, emphasis on the word "standard". If you want more daylight hours in the evening for events and such, just start things an hour earlier.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

I'm sure everyone's bosses will be accommodating

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 23 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

It’s also dependent on where you live. Someone living on the easternmost part of a time zone is going to tend to want DST over standard as compared to someone living on the westernmost part. I live in the easternmost part of the Eastern US time zone and I’d pick DST if I had the choice.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 7 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

East Coast, standard time please.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 9 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

4:30 sunrise in June just feels wrong to me.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Arizona is used to it. When I drove through in July I swear the sun es already high at 4

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 9 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Tbf, 5:00 sunset on standard time is not ideal for me either. But a lot more acceptable than having to suddenly adjust sleep because capitalists want to make more money.

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 5 points 17 hours ago

Permanent DST would be so stupid.

What is "noon" or "solar noon" under DST? Solar noon is supposed to be the time when the sun is at its peak. AM and PM come from ante meridiem and post meridiem, which are basically "before the sun's peak" and "after the sun's peak". But, under DST the peak is at approx 1pm. So, will saying "I'll meet you at noon" still mean 12pm? Probably, but then "solar noon" will be 1pm but "noon" will be 12am?

If the whole reason behind considering permanent DST that they think the 9-5 schedule of office life is impossible to change? This just reminds me of bad software projects where office politics and middle manager interference meant that rather than fixing the root cause, it was easier just to add tech debt.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Fun fact: in the mid '70s the US attempted to go to full year daylight savings time. It was so hated by everyone that we switched back to switching our clocks after very few years

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Because a single news story about a single child being hit by a car on the walk to school was blown out of proportion and played on everyone's fears. Kids don't walk to school anymore.

[–] tmyakal@infosec.pub 3 points 3 hours ago

Kids don't walk to school anymore

What am I passing when I drive home every afternoon? Geese?

[–] deliriousdreams@fedia.io 15 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Go into detail about what the problems were and why everyone hated it.

People with school aged children were upset that their children were leaving for school in the dark.

People had more accidents in the morning (but accidents in the afternoon and evening hours decreased, especially pedestrian fatalities.

They didn't even try it out for a prolonged period of time and a lot of that had to do with the Watergate scandal and the Nixon presidency.

Also the health benefits of switching to Standard time and doing away with DST would work with permanent DST too. The major health problems that are caused by the current model have to do with altering the bodies internal clock, and you get the benefits of not having to change regardless of whether we choose permant Standard time or permanent DST.

For reference purposes, car accidents spike significantly after DST ends, not just when it starts.

I think the main issue with their attempt in the 70's is that they didn't try to change the hours of school and work to make things more workable. We didn't do that because it would have forced major industries to shift things and that seemed like too much work.

This would make things safer in general and fix sleep deprevation and other sleep related maladies in the vast majority of people who aren't morning people.

And having more natural light during the waking hours decreases the amount of electricity used, can decrease heating and cooling bills, etc.

People complain about the idea (either moving permanent to standard time or morning permanently to DST) literally based on vibes. Nobody seems to give it a chance with actual changes to make it work for any length of time.

I'm also going to point out that a lot of the problem full stop is that Americans just do not have significant amounts of free time.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I wasn't actually alive at the time, thanks for those details! I didn't know why they hated it, just that they must have to have switched back so fast.

[–] deliriousdreams@fedia.io 3 points 16 hours ago

Yeah, I also wasn't alive (I know most of it from my parents and the internet, but I've also had this conversation on the other place before.

I get the reasons why people like one or the other. I wake up at 3 am for work 5 days a week and I work 10 hour days so my feelings on the matter will be skewed no matter what, but it always seems like a majority of people want to go to standard DST when it's a hypothetical and there's not a good general consensus for why they switch back if it is tried.

I believe Mexico (might be another South American country), did have it and they swapped back due to the "health benefits" but it seems like a lot of the studies around day lights savings time as a whole are relying on supposition and don't have a long term study for the actual effects.

Some studies show more car accidents, some show less, some show nuance. some studies show better or more economical use of utilities like water and rlectro, some show the opposite, or that there is no change.

Some studies show health benefits but those studies assume we don't change sleeping schedules and so on to accommodate/ take advantage of more light, and often the health detriments are based on swapping back and forth twice a year.

Most of this comment I made after reading more articles on it rather than going off memory from the last time I had this conversation, and so what I say here may not necessarily match up with what's in the original comment.

If I remember I'll try to go back up and change that comment to better reflect the new info.

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[–] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 19 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

I honestly don't care if we choose permanent standard time or DST. Either one would be better than having to switch twice a year. I'll even propose a compromise: we can try one for a year, try the other for the next year, and see which one works better.

Not doing either because we can't agree on which one should be permanent seems like the worst option.

[–] johnyreeferseed@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 18 hours ago

I say we just split the middle. Change the clock by 30 minutes instead of an hour and then just keep it there.

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[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 22 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

don't let trump see this. he will add two extra DST switches per year and rename it

[–] zikzak025@lemmy.world 10 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Well they don't call it Donald Savings Trump for nothing. What better way to honor the god emperor than sacrificing time itself in his name?

(I gagged a bit just typing this, I'm sorry)

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

sleep experts say that standard time (which shifts daylight hours earlier in the morning) aligns best with human circadian biology.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

That sounds like the talk of a morning person. Bastard. Where'd you find them?

[–] wavebeam@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago

I hope you never see the light of day again, only being able to beside between the hours of dusk and dawn, chained to your desk dreaming of seeing the sun just once.

[–] Shameless@lemmy.world 8 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

As someone who lived in a country with DST and now living in a country without it, it's honestly such a pleasure never having to worry about losing or gaining an hour at an arbitrary time of the year.

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