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[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Humans are not mice.

Has any human dude out there ever asked a woman, which hurts more, a self drilled dental abscess, or childbirth?

I've met and spoke to a good lady friend that's experienced both, and she said that self dental work hurts more than childbirth.

I'm only a dude, but I've actually partly dremeled out one of my teeth before, no anesthetic, to drain an abscess that wasn't about to drain itself. She said she had to do similar, and that hurts more than childbirth.

So, did this study ever extend their study beyond mice and actually ask humans about their pains?

[–] darklamer@feddit.org 18 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm only a dude, but I've actually partly dremeled out one of my teeth before, no anesthetic, to drain an abscess that wasn't about to drain itself.

That is patently insane, you can not just write that without mentioning anything about what circumstances could possibly have led to you being in a position where you had access to a drill but had no option but to operate it yourself.

Were you the last survivor on a research station on Antarctica in the middle of winter where the entire crew died of tooth abscesses leaving you the last man standing and help wouldn't be able to arrive for months?

I'm struggling to come up with any other scenario where this could possibly happen.

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I did it myself. I've been lighthearted about my comments, but if you really wanna know all the details, well it fucking hurt like hell!

But it drained the abscess and gave me time to visit a dentist.

Cost? ~$500, Bank? ~$0, Time, ~8months

[–] darklamer@feddit.org 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That really doesn't explain anything about why you didn't have the dentist (or even pretty much anyone else) do it for you instead.

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

8 months, no money, duh.

[–] pomegranatefern@sh.itjust.works 13 points 6 days ago

Okay but is no one going to take a moment to ask about this person and someone he knows both doing self drilled dental work though? Is this some "yeah dental care in the US sucks even more than you think" thing or??

[–] scytale@piefed.zip 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Doesn’t the body release a bunch of hormones during childbirth to sort of act as pain modulators and it kinda makes the mother’s memory of it less intense than it actually was? I remember reading something about it being an evolutionary thing so the mother isn’t deterred from getting pregnant again.

[–] sylphrin@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 days ago

Exactly this. Your brain gets absolutely blasted with a bunch of chemicals during childbirth and your memory of it becomes very hazy, especially the pain parts. This happens with or without pain management.

[–] Calfpupa@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What is anecdotal evidence?

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What, that humans are not mice? I don't think I need evidence for that.

I can communicate with humans directly though, and have had an in-depth discussion with my long time friend J about this very subject.

She had went through both, and confirms that non-anesthesia self tooth drilling hurts more than childbirth.

Now as far as the mouse study, they studied their paws, not the more sensitive areas such as teeth and genitals...

Anyways, for every dozen of cures for mice they find, I still haven't heard any of them approved and applied to humans.

So, once again, humans are not mice.

[–] Calfpupa@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Not disagreeing about mice and humans, very disingenuous to reply like this. You don't even provide full information in the story, did she have any pain medicine or procedures to minimize the pain, was the baby on time, did she dilate correctly, what was the baby to mother mass ratio... lots of unaccounted variables. I'll counter your story with my aunt pulled her tooth out with pliers waaaay too early with no anesthesia and said it was nothing compared to her first child.

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It is an interesting discussion that me and my lady friend had years ago, and you bring up many valid points. I haven't spoken with her in a few years, we've lost contact, but she was open enough with me about her experiences that I'll try to ask her more details as such when/if I ever encounter her again.

[–] admin@lemmy.today 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

If study was done on the mouse and yet to be tested on humans how did they derive conclusion on man and woman?

Also for that car accident study, how do you isolate the injury, not that all kinds of accidents result in similar injury.

And even if we assume that it is the case in humans too, doesn't that simply mean that injury is not cured faster, just ignored. The issue is still there and will take the same time as their counterparts just that men will not know that issue is still there, Ironic.

[–] Cypher@aussie.zone 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Car accidents may result in worse injuries for women because for decades safety measures were tested with male crash dummies.

I’m not joking.

This research and their conclusions are a joke.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Not the first conclusion to be made on behalf of women where the testing was only made on men. And sometimes the results are the complete opposite for men and women.